Comments Thread For: Juan Carlos Gomez Update; Helenius-Bertino; Kristjansen

[BattlingNelson]

Hello Battling ! How goes it?? Don't mention the euro, I'm having nightmares over it right now.........

I should have bought a ****load of yankeedough last year when the exchangerate was at it's lowest in i don't know how long. Of course I didn't so I must resort to keep dreaming of a Mayweather style yacht....

I hope you didn't do anything ******.

[TheGreatA]

Raa*** was actually from Estonia but he was a very good fighter indeed, competing in a tough era. Fought everybody, including Jake LaMotta and Marcel Cerdan (whom he nearly stopped in the last round) and beat Georgie Abrams, whom I rate highly, although Abrams was at the end of his career at the time.

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I think Battling Nelson will probably go down as the best North European fighter.

I haven't been able to find any film on Raa***, unfortunately, despite his many high profile fights.

It's not easy to prove because as American Pride said you are quite clever and subtle in the way you do it.

But this one isn't difficult to analyze.

What you did is you IGNORED the fact that Helenius has had a hand injury, to sneakily discredit him for fighting someone who is not a top 50 HW. That would have fooled most people (who don't know Helenius hasn't been sparring because of his hand and so it woudn't be wise to put him in with a top opponent right now) who might get the impression Robert is ducking top opposition. Bertino isn't as quite bad as you make him out to be either, he's actually a very good opponent FOR SOMEONE COMING BACK AFTER AN INJURY WHICH PREVENTED HIM FROM SPARRING.

Now, if Helenius hadn't had the injury, your comments wouldn't have been so unfair, because a healthy, sharp Helenius is fully capable of defeating many of the top 50 heavyweights.

But you pretended he's not coming off an injury which prevented him from sparring when you bitched about his upcoming opponent.

You're clever, but I got you this time.

You're going way overboard with this. All I said was that Bertino isn't very good, which is a fair observation. The rest you've come up with by yourself.

[BattlingNelson]

Raa*** was actually from Estonia but he was a very good fighter indeed, competing in a tough era. Fought everybody, including Jake LaMotta and Marcel Cerdan (whom he nearly stopped in the last round) and beat Georgie Abrams, whom I rate highly, although Abrams was at the end of his career at the time.

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I think Battling Nelson will probably go down as the best North European fighter.

Either Nelson, Johansson or Kessler (in time).

[TheGreatA]

Either Nelson, Johansson or Kessler (in time).

Tough to surpass Nelson's wins over Joe Gans though, not to mention Jimmy Britt, Young Corbett II, Terry McGovern, and a draw with Abe Attell.

[BattlingNelson]

Tough to surpass Nelson's wins over Joe Gans though, not to mention Jimmy Britt, Young Corbett II, Terry McGovern, and a draw with Abe Attell.

Absolutely. I mentioned Johansson only because he was a HW champ and because of the significance in being the baddest man on the planet.

[TheGreatA]

Absolutely. I mentioned Johansson only because he was a HW champ and because of the significance in being the baddest man on the planet.

I think Johansson tends to get underrated a lot of the time. Sure his career didn't last long but he made quite an impact during the short time he was at the top. He went right through the European class (including Cooper, Erskine, Neuhaus, Bygraves and others) and KO'd number 1 contender Eddie Machen and heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson in brutal fashion. The underrated Johansson whose right hand wasn't recognized as the weapon that it was would present a lot of problems to most heavyweights. He really could hit with that right hand.

[The Hammer]

You're going way overboard with this. All I said was that Bertino isn't very good, which is a fair observation. The rest you've come up with by yourself.

If you really do support Helenius, why did you never post that *****ko, Brewster and Olouken were good opponents considering Helenius lacks professional experience? Most boxers (including Mike Tyson) don't fight live opponents in their first 15 fights as a pro.

It's good that some people are sharp enough to see that you're always overly negative about the current European fighters, but sneaky and subtle in how you go about it.

You never answered the other poster's question: why?

[TheGreatA]

If you really do support Helenius, why did you never post that *****ko, Brewster and Olouken were good opponents considering Helenius lacks professional experience? Mike Tyson didn't fight a live opponent in his first 15 fights as a pro.

It's good that some people are sharp enough to see that you're always overly negative about the current European fighters, but sneaky and subtle in how you go about it.

You never answered the other poster's question: why?

I said this after the *****ko win:

Helenius got past stage one in impressive fashion. Brewster can punch but I'm not sure if he has anything left. Helenius should be able to go further, to a world title shot possibly.

This after the Brewster win:

Sounds like a good fight and a good perfomance by Helenius. Brewster should have retired after losing to Klitschko in my opinion. He hasn't been the same after the Lyakhovich fight.

I still hope they don't "rush" Helenius because a win over Brewster at this point doesn't necessarily prove he is world class yet.

So far I'm liking the way Sauerland has handled his career. All I said was that Bertino isn't very good.

[edgarg]

Raa*** was actually from Estonia but he was a very good fighter indeed, competing in a tough era. Fought everybody, including Jake LaMotta and Marcel Cerdan (whom he nearly stopped in the last round) and beat Georgie Abrams, whom I rate highly, although Abrams was at the end of his career at the time.

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I think Battling Nelson will probably go down as the best North European fighter.

Well, if you include Nelson I suppose you're right. I regard him more as an American, he made his big name there and I think he had all his fights there. I know he was born in Denmark, but, I think came to America as a kid. I'll have to ask Battler about him.

I was thinking of local European fighters who learned to box in Europe, and were more or less established before coming to America,

I KNOW Raa*** was an Estonian, I actually wrote it in my post, saying that he came from not very far away from Finland. I just don't know what happened...??? Maybe I deleted it, trying to "improve" my post, do that sometimes. I've had much computer trouble lately and was off line for 2-3 days just a few days ago. I never knew until then how much I appreciated having a computer.

Used to hear a lot about Pekka Kokkonen, who, I think could have been better with better management. I was very much into European boxing in those days, growing up, as I did, in Ireland.

[edgarg]

I should have bought a ****load of yankeedough last year when the exchangerate was at it's lowest in i don't know how long. Of course I didn't so I must resort to keep dreaming of a Mayweather style yacht....

I hope you didn't do anything ******.

Battler, I wish I HAD. If I'd spent it on women I'd have had some enjoyment anyway...I've bought 2 houses here in Panama, and need to pay for them within the next week. I've been hanging on, hoping the Euro would go up, maybe a sharp, even temporary rally, but it keeps getting worse.

I'd hate to put figures on paper, I'd never sleep again........