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  • Originally posted by romebyko View Post
    If Floyd wants this so bad why does he not go to the Boxing Comm and take it up with them.Pac said he will fight by the rules of the state he is fighting in right?So go to the Vegas State Comm and tell them for this fight you want OST and let them handle it.It would solve alot of problems if the fighters take them selfs out of it.
    Good point.

    It is totally ridiculous to quibble over a cut-off-date for OST..... in fact, su****iously so..... but I agree..... put in an official request, offer to cover all associated financial costs, and get the commission to initiate the OST's as part of their regular procedure.

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    • Originally posted by Ray* View Post
      Yeah you need get the commision in on contracts
      As a one-off exercise, to remove Mannys ridiculous "cut-off-date" excuse, in order to successfully negotiate what could very well be the BIGGEST FIGHT IN BOXING HISTORY ?

      Of course it is a good idea, Team Pac have actually suggested this also.

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      • Originally posted by Bee Keepz View Post
        Ummm let's see...

        Margarito who? - duck
        Cotto who? - duck
        Pacquiao...
        You have got to be kidding.

        Margarito who? ..... is actually correct. That over-rated punk's greatest achievment is to sidle up to Mayweather and call him out on camera. Only an idiot would have fought an over-rated clown who bought nothing to the table - no money, no title, no prestige - instead of taking the Baldomir > Hoya > Hatton path that turned Mayweather into the planet's biggest boxing attraction.

        That punk Margarito had an opportunity to put himself in a position to seriously call out Mayweather, he actually got very close, one fight away to be exact.... but guess what? ..... Paul Williams kicked his ass !!

        Cotto who?
        Bob Arum : "Miguel is not ready"
        You are scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one buddy, the situation with Cotto is well documented.

        Pacquiao who?
        That fight got really close to being made, just a couple of blood tests away actually. Of course, you wouldn't know anything about that would you ?

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        • Originally posted by Jerzz View Post
          Why can't Floyd fight Manny under State Rules, he is bigger, taller, more skilled,
          and he just beat a bigger Shane Mosley.

          Floyd is a natural welterweight, Manny is just a fabricated WW, he is a natural junior ww. Ariza has to feed him protein shakes everyday to keep his weight.
          Yep, thats the best justification for steriod abuse that I have ever heard.

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          • Originally posted by Boxingholic View Post
            funny how 78+% voted in latimes thinks its all flyod fault, the fact is floyd is scared !!!
            There are a lot of Pinoys in LA too.

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            • Originally posted by Sugar Q View Post
              Didn't think I was done did you? First of all Manny agreed to 3 test 24 days prior to the fight not 14 days. Here's what the real experts say:

              Dr. Margaret Goodman was the Chief Ringside Physician for the State of Nevada until 2005, and the Medical Advisory Board Chairperson for the NSAC until 2007. Along with Dr. Flip Homansky, a former commissioner with the NSAC, she was influential in instituting many of the testing regulations currently in use by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
              *Dr. Goodman points out that there are many different things to test for, such as human growth hormones, performance-enhancing drugs, steroids, and erythropoietin (which is used in blood doping, and can only be detected by blood tests).
              *Dr. Goodman states, “Although urine can be used to detect steroids and other substances, many things can disappear from the urine quickly.”
              *Asked if the NSAC ever considered blood testing during her tenure, Goodman said, “We never did blood for one main reason; it was extremely hard from a logistical standpoint. We never had phlebotomists, and didn’t want to send the fighter to a hospital for labs alone after a fight.”
              *Dr. Goodman believes that unannounced testing of fighters between fights is critical in keeping down the use of illegal substances.
              *Currently, the NSAC does do random checks, and sometimes fighters are given advance notice of up to 48 hours, which is a practice Goodman feels should change.
              *“Many substances,” Goodman points out, “including low doses of testosterone, could be out of their system in that time.”
              *But Goodman does share Kizer’s belief that one must be as diligent as possible.
              *“Listen,” Goodman said, “one needs to recognize that no current testing program is foolproof, but USADA’s is a great step.”
              *Goodman continued, “And this is a process that needs to be revamped constantly, especially due to the ever-changing world of performance-enhancing drugs.”
              *So is it time for boxing to bite the bullet and institute USADA’s testing program.

              You did however forget to post the parts where Dr. Goodman clearly stated against blood testing because of it's inconvenience and skewed readings. You also forgot to leave the part out where she states urine is a more than adequate way for testing for controlled substances and that an athlete would turn out positive (as shown in the drug programs adopted in California) if they were on a cycled or stacked formation- which would need to be the case in order for any individual to reap the benefits of steroid, epo use.

              Be that as it may, what was the point of your reply when I've clearly agreed that random blood testing is a must? To your points alone that you've stated, no drug program is fool proof so what then after? You can google all you want but if your main objective is to only buy and read into what you agree to no matter what then there's no validity to your "crack" work.

              It's been on record that Pacquiao did agree to taking tests 14 days before the fight. Because you dislike the guy doesn't make it right for you to say what you want when there's no factual basis to support your theories because in all honesty if we were having an honest debate the questions wouldn't be "Why won't you take the tests Manny?" it would be "Why not accept the 14 day window Floyd"? Now given current popular American culture, which question appeals to you the most?

              Any physician will tell you that steroid use is harmful to the individual taking it. In training camp or a fight, Manny could face fatal and dire consequences to himself if the alleged substance abuse you so adamantly refer to were true. Not to Floyd- but to himself. Is it then fair for one to argue that Floyd's supposed use of Xylocaine could hurt another individual and if he should, be subject to any punishment, fines and the same witch hunt Pacquiao is being put through? Because remember, it has to be a level playing field.

              I applaud Floyd's efforts in wanting to clean up the sport. I applaud Manny's efforts in agreeing to take random tests but either one still have failed to convince me that their intentions are pure.

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              • Manny needs to stop being a superstitious sissy and get on with the drug test. I know alotta people wanna see pretty lame floyd get knocked out and honestly, pac man is da only dude dat can do it. Unless hopkins shaved 15 years off his age lol

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                • There is only one thing stoping this fight - the blood test.

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                  • Originally posted by Jabb LaRock View Post
                    Manny needs to stop being a superstitious sissy and get on with the drug test. I know alotta people wanna see pretty lame floyd get knocked out and honestly, pac man is da only dude dat can do it. Unless hopkins shaved 15 years off his age lol

                    I wish we could attribute "superstition" as a rationale for avoiding the biggest money fight in boxing history but it simply makes no sense. I think a comparable analogy would be if I allowed a black cat crossing my path stop me from going into a building and cashing in a winning lotto ticket. It's pretty clear that MP is Top Rank's meal ticket and they have no intention of putting him in the ring with PBF without an enhancement or some other advantage.

                    If MP and his team were as confident as his fans that he will win the fight, then the fight would have been made in March of this year. I don't see how a refusal to take a drug test can be construed as anything but a tacit admission to cheating. As I said, superstition makes no sense at all.
                    Last edited by Slip Stream; 05-15-2010, 11:28 AM.

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                    • Good, let's hope it really happens.

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