How can this equate to "FIGHTER OF THE DECADE"?

[whirlwind]

damn jiddu,

you got some nerve showing your face after getting owned in your thread. what osiris is saying that you judge properly & accordingly with what happens in your prime as well as your whole entire career. what you *****s are doing are trying to denigrate a great legendary career by pacquioa by bringing up his loses when he was just in his teenage prepubescent years & just starting his career. Now if pac got KTFO in his prime then we can accordingly scrutinize & add it to the equation.

salvador sanchez lost to a nobody in his 18th pro fight. you dont see anybody trying to discredit the wonderful things that chava did because he lost to some obscure mexican in the beginning of his career. humberto gonzalez lost to some nobody in his 30th fight. that doesnt take away his great career. that doesnt take away what he accomplished after getting ko.

the only reason why you *****s like to bring up those 2 knock outs that do no harm to pacquiao is that floyd is undefeated & it gives you some false sense of righteousness that pac must suck because he got KTFO when he was a malnourished destitute kid living in squalor when he lost & floyd yaps about it & you parrot it like a idiot.

those 2 knockout loses do no harm to pacquiao's legacy. it doesnt take away the great things he accomplished & the joys he has given millions of boxing fans around the globe after getting ktfo 2x; once because he was weight drained & once because of a simultaneously head butt & low blow.

but if you feel like it gives you ammunition in our little pathetic unimportant nsb world that carries no weight in the outside world then so be it. Just remember history & public record & opinion will disagree with you.

*****s like to bring up those two losses but if Pac fights them now for the sake of their lame arguments. Sure they will crucify Pac even by thought of fighting them to avenge his losses.

[Cash Cow]

SSR had 200 total fights, not 50. It's hardly comparable.

blu is hard, thats the homey

[whirlwind]

Thats what it comes down to, if Floyd had of fought Shane in 2009 instead of Marquez i think he would have had a better crack at the title, maybe it would have helped if his fight with marquez didnt get delayed from July to September and he was able to squeeze the two fights into the year he would have been in a better position to make a claim.

Regardless of this, i think Floyd will be higher on the list for the next decade then Pacquiao, and he was more then likely higher the previous decade. His style may be boring but has enhanced his longevity, i think pacman's style will catch up with him.

Decade = 10 years - Floyd retired for 2 years = 8 years only!

Floyd vs Shane < Cotto vs Pac. even Floyd beat 37 years old Shane in 2009 because Cotto beat Shane and Pac destroyed Cotto.

Floyd vs JMM < Pac vs JMM. Pac beat the younger prime JMM on his best weight classes.

Floyd vs Oscar and Hatton (ko8) < Pac vs Oscar (ko8) and Hatton (ko2)

[PAKYO]

Damn *****s, still hurting over this fighter of the decade thing...

I should nominate floyd for being trashtalk quacker of the decade then so *****s here can at least have something to brag about.

[PensionKiller]

Here's a post of mine from Operationsports boxing forums. I had gotten in a heated debate, so keep in mind the context. It was a debate comparing the two's resumes.

Marquez came into the second Pacquiao fight weighing 141 lbs. Pacquiao came in at 145. Oddly, and I love how people forget to mention this, Marquez came in at 144 in the Mayweather fight, while Floyd came in at 146. Practically negligible difference. Furthermore, JMM called Floyd out, not the other way around. He was looking to fight Pacquiao for a third time, but of course Pac declined, thus he fought Floyd. Also, why is it when Pac moves up in weight to fight bigger opponents it's amazing, yet when JMM does the same, it's considered a travesty?



Floyd was clearly bigger and couldn't make 144. Floyd was bigger in the ring, where did you get your unofficial weight since he never elt's HBO weigh him. If you believe him then you believe he a billionaire. Heck JMM was eating Taco's to try make 144 and only came in at 142.

When Pac went up in weight, he won.

JMM beat Cassa and was losing most rounds VS Juan Diaz... Whom Paulie beat twice in my eyes.

As for a third fight, Pac was having trouble making 130. He went on to fight tougher guys. I eman Cotto would destroy JMM.

People never call foul when it's Mayweather coming in as the smaller man, yet are up in arms when the tables are turned. You'll never here anyone mention how Diego Corrales came in at 147 against Mayweather, giving him a 10 lb weight advantage, or that Floyd gave up 9 lbs to Jose Luis Castillo in both bouts. How Floyd came in the much smaller man against Oscar De La Hoya, as he fought him at his natural weight, and was giving up nearly 10 lbs on fight night. You never here this because those who critique Floyd live by double standards, and the hypocrisy is getting old.

Floyd's style doesn't need weight. He's a boxer and being light actually helps him have good movement and he can stay on his toes. Floyd is definitely slower with more weight on, so it is actually an advantage.

A lot believe Floyd got beat by Castillo 1, injury or not.

What Floyd does is good, but in boxing, the weigh in weight is what matters the most.

Hatton walks around at around 160+. Cutting to 147 is an easier task for him than cutting to 140. And here's another fun fact people like to dismiss in reference to Floyd "making him come up to 147". Ricky Hatton, two bouts prior to his bout with Mayweather, fought Luis Collazo at 147.

It just so happens that Ricky had a damn close fight and enarly got TKO'D in round 12 with Collazo at 147, that he and hsi team said never 147 again. He looked real bad. That is a fact.

Again why the emphasis on weight other than the weigh in?

If you wanna play that game, then Pac losing so much weight for 126/130 etc made it worse for him.

Him going 147 is much easier and he has a less of a worry and can train on boxing rather than just think of weight.

Ask Guzman

Why would team Mayweather believe Mosely was shot? Mosely was coming off one of the biggest win of his career, against the WW champion, catapulting himself up both the WW and P4P rankings. Before the bout, everyone was talking about how dangerous a fight this was for Floyd and how he'd possibly be KO'd, but of course once he was dominated by Floyd, tunes changed. Same ole song and dance.

Team Mayweather chose a good fight. Mosely fought a guy who had a war with Cotto and took some mean shots. Don't let the Marg win fool you, Marg is there to be hit and I called Mosely to win that fight.

Before the fight, Mosely said he fights mexicans in the gym everyday, he knows there style and will win

Actually it was 3-1 odds for Floyd to win.

Who said Mosely gonna KO him?

Mosely kept that belt and P4P position on the basis he never fought. Like Hopkins stayed up in P4P after Pavlik... a fighter amde for him also.

Lets look at the reality behind Pacs resume.

1. Beats prime Barrera: Good win, and best win of his career by far.

Yep good win

2. Gets outboxed by fading Morales

Morales had a great fight, but also had choices of gloves etc...

Pac was too raw for him at this stage

3. Beats a completely shot Morales, whom of was coming of a bout where he lost 11 of 12 rounds to journeyman Zahir Raheem. After the Raheem bout, Morales never recorded another win until his comeback 5 years later.

Morales got beat badly in both though, Pac did his job.



4. Beats Oscar Larios in his next fight, who was coming off a bout where he was brutally KO'd by Israel Vasquez. Boxrec: "Pacquiao stunned by a right hand in the third"

Still a good win

5. Has a draw with, and win over Marquez. Bouts many people believe he lost. He was dominated in compubox statistics.

Compubox stats don't mean **** if one guy hits with venom and connects. Depends on how you like to score a round I guess.

People are entitled to judge how they want. JMM had good fights with Pac indeed, but right now, Pac is a lot better than what showed up then.

6. Beats a shot DLH, who was both dehydrated and weight drained, admissions coming from both Oscar and team Pacquiao. In fact, according to Oscar, the difference between the version of himself that fought Floyd and the one that fought Pacquiao was like night and day. Furthermore, the only reason Roach accepted the fight is because he thought Oscar was past his prime both physically and mentally, the punishment to his face from the Steve Forbesbout, according to Roach, was an obvious indication that DLH was done for. Thus, he took the fight. Also, people fail to take into account that the fight was at 147, and by this time, Oscar hadn't had a fight at 147 since his bout with Arturo Gatti in March of 2001. His following fights were all at JMW and above. DLH was hooked to an IV just so he could rehydrate.

Oscar will make out Floyd is far better. Floyd is working for, with GBP...

Heck Oscar said Pac only had speed after their fight and didn't hurt.

Then later when there were steroid talks, he started sayin hmmmm Vargas and Mosely pucnehs felt the same...

Pac made him quit, of coruse he will say he was worse. The man quit no his stool and lost every round. You think he will say he was at his best ever?

Oscar chased the fight, even when Pac said no and wnated mroe %, Oscar gave it to him.

Oscar chose the weight, he didn;t want none of Margarito.

Pac jumped up from 135 to 147. What about that?

7. Destroys Ricky Hatton who had previously been thrashed by Mayweather. Hatton's previous fight was an unimpressive victory over Lascano where Hatton was almost KO'd, obviously showing he was shot. Perfect candidate for Pac/Roach.

Hatton was almsot KO'd at 147 by Collazo. He fought Mayweather at a weight his team said never again. Maywetaher came out of retirement to fight Hatton when he was not a star in the US and Marg/Cotto wanted some.

Hatton beat Paulie just before, in impressive fashion. Why not mention that?

8. Forces Cotto down to 145, and dominates him. Cotto was coming off a fight where he'd been brutalized by Antonio "Plaster Hands" Margarito, a fight that many believed ruined him. He'd also had a bout with Clottey, which many people believe he lost.

Clottey lost the championship rounds. Most say Cotto won and dropped Clottey down. As for forcing, yes, buyt Cotto went in at 146 for Clottey.

Cotto actually looked the best shpe he has ever. Again Pac made him lose by TKO.

9. Beats Clottey, who threw 5 punches per round and was basically a sparring partner.

Clottey was forced to throw 5 punches a round. He has always thrown more, he was scared, and when he opened up, Pac got him. Pac even squared up in his face to encourage action

Pac mvoed up and beat Diaz for a belt

The greatness of manny Pacquiao is a myth. Floyd need not worry about any "black marks" on his career, as anyone who cares to look at the situation subjectively knows who's ducking who. In reality, 10 years from now when USADA testing is the standard, people will question why Manny Pacquiao was so adamantly opposed to something overwhelmingly positive. Something that'd give the sport back it's integrity. And like all athletes who duck and dodge steroid and PED talk, the validity of his achievements will be questioned. Floyd on the other hand, will be looked on in a positive light. He'll be remembered as the fighter who pushed for more stringent testing, and people will love him for it. He's hated as Ali was during the height of his career, but in the end, just as Ali is, he'll be loved.

The greatness is there. He was at Super bantam in 2000 and ten years later was fighting at 147 and ebat, won a ton of belts.

WBC SUPER BANTAM 2000
IBF SUPER BANTAM 2001
WBO SUPER BANTAM 2001
BARRERA HAD NO BELTS OVER AN ISSUE
WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT 2005
SOLIS, LARIOS AND MORALES
JMM
DIAZ
DE LA HOYA
HATTON
COTTO
CLOTTEY


Type up why Floyd deserves the spot for me and I will argue my case again.

Good write up, but you left otu things that would help Pac.

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[amonb]

Barrera - Win (J.Jones beat him faster x2 in his prime)
Marquez - Draw and SD win (most thought he lost x2)
Morales - Loss (Only beat him after Raheem dominated him)
Hatton - (KO'd by Floyd 2 years earlier)
De La Hoya (fought him 2 years after Mayweather, at a weight he didnt fight at in a decade)
Cotto - (Ruined by Margarito, catch-weight, paper-belt)



I am still trying to figure out who Manny Pacquiao beat in or even around their primes? People say Manny is small but he has outweighed everyone he has fought.....Barrera, Marquez, and Morales were all smaller than Pacquiao. Oscar was outweighed, Hatton & Cotto was as well.

[S H A R K B O Y]

blu is hard, thats the homey

yup blu's a boss. freshcoast in the house.

[PensionKiller]

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[PensionKiller]

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[PensionKiller]

Where all the *****s at?