I think some people miss the point about the Lewis Klitschko fight

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the topic for me has morphed, I was tired of taking about VK and at no time during any of my posts was I on his jock.

Like I have said twice earlier, LL's biggest assset was his brain...he chose not to fight MErcer because he was smart, he chose not to fight VK because he was smart and he chose not to fight the young lion (at the time) Wlad because he was smart...

Again every fighter avoids someone at sometime-remtach or first fight it does not matter avoiding someone can come in different shapes...LL is not excluded from this...signing out.

Oh by the way how do you know that the Wlad v. LL fight was never talked about....im telling you, get me a copy of your newsletter. You ****ing jump on me for things that I cannpt factually prove and you are as guilty as me...you know the glass house thing right?

[Bozo_no no]

the topic for me has morphed, I was tired of taking about VK and at no time during any of my posts was I on his jock.

Like I have said twice earlier, LL's biggest assset was his brain...he chose not to fight MErcer because he was smart, he chose not to fight VK because he was smart and he chose not to fight the young lion (at the time) Wlad because he was smart...

Again every fighter avoids someone at sometime-remtach or first fight it does not matter avoiding someone can come in different shapes...LL is not excluded from this...signing out.

Oh by the way how do you know that the Wlad v. LL fight was never talked about....im telling you, get me a copy of your newsletter. You ****ing jump on me for things that I cannpt factually prove and you are as guilty as me...you know the glass house thing right?

You don't seem to understand how petty and trivial you're being.

Again, are you saying that Lewis was ducking Wlad? Yes or no.

I'm saying that if that's what you're saying, it's non sense.

Wlad was still developing, and then was brutally stopped before the Vitali Lewis fight.

I suppose next you're going to say Lewis avoided Ibeabuchi and Guinn?

And if you're telling me the Wald vs Lewis fight WAS negotiated, the onus is on YOU to prove that. Not on me to prove it wasn't talked about. I never read anywhere or heard anything about that fight being discussed. Did you? I could tell you that there were discussions about Lewis fighting a Grizzley Bear; can you prove there wasn't those talks? See how that works?

For the 4th time: Lewis didn't rematch Mercer, just as many other fighters haven't rematched narrow wins. Mercer was 0-2-1 after the Lewis fight, and Lennox next opted to fight for the WBC title in an atempt to avenge his loss to McCall. The much more sensable move in every aspect.

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You don't seem to understand how petty and trivial you're being.

Again, are you saying that Lewis was ducking Wlad? Yes or no.

I'm saying that if that's what you're saying, it's non sense.

Wlad was still developing, and then was brutally stopped before the Klitschko Lewis fight.

I suppose next you're going to say Lewis avoided Ibeabuchi and Guinn?

And if you're telling me the Wald vs Lewis fight WAS negotiated, the onus is on YOU to prove that. Not on me to prove it wasn't talked about. I never read anywhere or heard anything about that fight being discussed. Did you? I could tell you that there were discussions about Lewis fighting a Grizzley Bear; can you prove there wasn't those talks? See how that works?

For the 4th time: Lewis didn't rematch Mercer, just as many other fighters haven't rematched narrow wins. Mercer was 0-2-1 after the Lewis fight, and Lennox next opted to fight for the WBC title in an atempt to avenge his loss to McCall. The much more sensable move in every aspect.

What does Wlad still developing have to do with anything...he beat crushed Bryd, Barret and McCline...that resume looks pretty solid...does LL only fight guys who are fully developed?

I belive, no check that I know that LL said the reason why he was fighting Grant was because he was not going to let him develop anymore and he was going to take out the green version of grant as opposed to letting him develop any further.

Wlad was the rings #1 guy for a long time, you act like Wlad was this young green pup who should never even been considered for a guy like ll...looking back it is comical to think about what a thrashing LL would have given Wlad but know one knew at the time that Wlad was a poser.

Wlads fight with Sanders was a tuneup...stay in shape

I am again not defending Wlad...he is a tool but at one time he appeared to be legit!

Again this is no bull****, straight from Larry Merchant's mouth the words Lennox is avoiding Wlad and the fight is not going to happen.

Putting an end to my love affair with you Bozo...we must agree to dissagree-actually if we sat down together instead of typing **** at work Im pretty sure we would find that we agree on many things...even these issues we seem to disagree on...I can't take it any longer...Lewis never avoided a fight in his life...he wanted Wlad he just wanted him to mature more.

[AintGottaClue]

bozo if vitali were to reign for 7 more years untill he is 40 and beats everyone now would he be put into top 10 cause hey if lewis is there why cant vitali?

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What does Wlad still developing have to do with anything...he beat crushed Bryd, Barret and McCline...that resume looks pretty solid...does LL only fight guys who are fully developed?

I belive, no check that I know that LL said the reason why he was fighting Grant was because he was not going to let him develop anymore and he was going to take out the green version of grant as opposed to letting him develop any further.

Wlad was the rings #1 guy for a long time, you act like Wlad was this young green pup who should never even been considered for a guy like ll...looking back it is comical to think about what a thrashing LL would have given Wlad but know one knew at the time that Wlad was a poser.

Wlads fight with Sanders was a tuneup...stay in shape

I am again not defending Wlad...he is a tool but at one time he appeared to be legit!

Again this is no bull****, straight from Larry Merchant's mouth the words Lennox is avoiding Wlad and the fight is not going to happen.

Putting an end to my love affair with you Bozo...we must agree to dissagree-actually if we sat down together instead of typing **** at work Im pretty sure we would find that we agree on many things...even these issues we seem to disagree on...I can't take it any longer...Lewis never avoided a fight in his life...he wanted Wlad he just wanted him to mature more.

Again you avoid a direct question.

So what you're saying, is that Lennox Lewis ducked Wlad Klitschko, and that should be held agaisnt him?

Yes or no?


2nd time:

Could the fight have been made? Yes.

Is it a knock agaisnt Lewis that it wasn't? No.

And do yourself a favor and never mention anything Larry Merchant says again. That's not helping your case.

Merchant is the same guy who (before the 1st bell rang) in the Wlad vs Sanders fight said that Wlad was an adonnis and he could see why all the German women tune in to watch him. (it might have been the Gin talking).

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bozo if vitali were to reign for 7 more years untill he is 40 and beats everyone now would he be put into top 10 cause hey if lewis is there why cant vitali?

Ahhh the "if" game. A favorite game of the nut hugging clan.

"If" that were to happen, it would depend on a lot of things.

As of right now he's a guy with an average resume who won the WBC title at 33 years of age agaisnt Corrie Sanders and defended it once agaisnt Danny Williams.

Right now it's not looking very promising, but we'll see what happens.

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Again you avoid a direct question.

So what you're saying, is that Lennox Lewis ducked Wlad Klitschko, and that should be held agaisnt him?

Yes or no?


2nd time:

Could the fight have been made? Yes.

Is it a knock agaisnt Lewis that it wasn't? No.

And do yourself a favor and never mention anything Larry Merchant says again. That's not helping your case.

Merchant is the same guy who (before the 1st bell rang) in the Wlad vs Sanders fight said that Wlad was an adonnis and he could see why all the German women tune in to watch him. (it might have been the Gin talking).

Did LL avoid Wlad...most definately for a while...it is not a mark against him because of how Wlad fizzled but there was a period where LL was not interested when he should have been.

How many boxing people would be screaming that Wlad and Lewis never hooked up had Wlad not have fallen off of his perch...had he been the ass kicker that most thought and the Lewis fight never came off Lewis would have been the one too blame...yeah Wlad sucks but that still doesnt erase the fact that LL was content on letting Wlad follow in his footsteps as champ instead of showing the world that he was a joke. the ring mag ratings are the only ratings you can go by and Wlad was at the top of the list for a long while.

Does it matter now....no it does not because WK turned out to be a joke...but it did matter back then and it would have been a huge topic of conversation had Wlad gone on to have the career that boxing fans everywhere thought he was going to have.

[Bozo_no no]

Did LL avoid Wlad...most definately for a while...it is not a mark against him because of how Wlad fizzled but there was a period where LL was not interested when he should have been.

How many boxing people would be screaming that Wlad and Lewis never hooked up had Wlad not have fallen off of his perch...had he been the ass kicker that most thought and the Lewis fight never came off Lewis would have been the one too blame...yeah Wlad sucks but that still doesnt erase the fact that LL was content on letting Wlad follow in his footsteps as champ instead of showing the world that he was a joke. the ring mag ratings are the only ratings you can go by and Wlad was at the top of the list for a long while.

Does it matter now....no it does not because WK turned out to be a joke...but it did matter back then and it would have been a huge topic of conversation had Wlad gone on to have the career that boxing fans everywhere thought he was going to have.

Glad you can admit that it's not a knock agaisnt Lewis, and a moot point now.

With the amount of 'ifs' in that post, you're starting to sound like the Klitschko club.

3rd time:

Could it have happened? Yes.

Does it matter that it didn't? No.

At least we agree on that much.

[paul750]

??? No actually none of those guys are HOF material. Seriously I think you'd vote in Mickey Ward if you had the chance.

I think the guys you named are NO better than a Tua, Mercer, or Golota. Quarry was the best fighter of that bunch you named but he wasn't much better than a fighter like Ray Mercer.

i really like david tua, but you can't class him in the same league as mercer, when mercer fought lewis, he was up there with any heavyweight at that particular time IMO, you can't outbox lewis for arguably 5 or 6 rounds without being a class boxer, the 1996 mercer beats all those guys that were listed IMO.

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Glad you can admit that it's not a knock agaisnt Lewis, and a moot point now.

With the amount of 'ifs' in that post, you're starting to sound like the Klitschko club.

3rd time:

Could it have happened? Yes.

Does it matter that it didn't? No.

At least we agree on that much.

It should have happened not could have, that has been my point all along...good night.