I could not understand why so many picked Arreola .........

[Dynamite Kid]

[QUOTE=Silencers;8193621]

Yeah, Taylor still does it, just not as much as he used to.




Consistency, workrate, stamina and toughness. Haye's workrate isn't the highest and if Adamek can force the pace he might wear down Haye and I think Adamek is the more durable, tougher fighter out of the two which could prove to be the difference down the stretch.

Early on is definitely the most dangerous time of the fight for Adamek, he has a very solid chin but can he take Haye's shots repeatedly? I doubt it, he can maybe take 1 or 2 flush but once they start accumulating, he'll start feeling them.

100% agree, particularly.............. Adamek is the more durable, tougher fighter out of the two which could prove to be the difference down the stretch.

How do you see Haye connecting if he reaches in with the big punches given that Adamek does go straight back occasionally, do you think he could make Haye fall short and that Haye could leave himself open or do you think it would be a positive for Haye as he would follow up and chase Adamek back, or dont you think there is anything in that?

[Chrismart]

I enjoyed the fight, i liked the it was abit of a see-saw fight with each fighter taking control for a few rounds, before the other guy would have his turn.
I saw it as a 50/50 fight to be honest, i had Adamek down for the win, but thought Arreola was going to take charge when he was having a good spell in the middle rounds.

Credit to Arreola for his post-fight interview. Nice to see a fighter gracious in defeat like that.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

I think many people (myself included) had it going down like that for good reason, just looking at rounds 3 to 6 (the only ones Arreola won imo). Adamek was unable to hurt Arreola with 2-3 flush shots and Adamek was getting hit by 1 punch in return and being hurt.

Adamek has a case for top 10 p4p imo right now though his gameplan was excellent, i was worried for him between rounds 3 to 6 but somehow he turned it back in his favor in rounds 7 onwards. Round 9 looked a bit dodgy again he got hurt because it was hard to keep everything Arreola threw off him, but then Arreola hurt his arm.

But basically what you saw from rounds 3-6 is why i think alot of people were picking Arreola, i expected first few rounds to Adamek then Arreola to be to strong later on.

[Dynamite Kid]

I think many people (myself included) had it going down like that for good reason, just looking at rounds 3 to 6 (the only ones Arreola won imo). Adamek was unable to hurt Arreola with 2-3 flush shots and Adamek was getting hit by 1 punch in return and being hurt.

Adamek has a case for top 10 p4p imo right now though his gameplan was excellent, i was worried for him between rounds 3 to 6 but somehow he turned it back in his favor in rounds 7 onwards. Round 9 looked a bit dodgy again he got hurt because it was hard to keep everything Arreola threw off him, but then Arreola hurt his arm.

But basically what you saw from rounds 3-6 is why i think alot of people were picking Arreola, i expected first few rounds to Adamek then Arreola to be to strong later on.

I dont think Adamek was hurt that much tbh, plus i thought he could! get hurt but that his chin was good enough to weather the best of it and that Arreola is not a particular big one punch merchant.

[Chrismart]

I think many people (myself included) had it going down like that for good reason, just looking at rounds 3 to 6 (the only ones Arreola won imo). Adamek was unable to hurt Arreola with 2-3 flush shots and Adamek was getting hit by 1 punch in return and being hurt.

Adamek has a case for top 10 p4p imo right now though his gameplan was excellent, i was worried for him between rounds 3 to 6 but somehow he turned it back in his favor in rounds 7 onwards. Round 9 looked a bit dodgy again he got hurt because it was hard to keep everything Arreola threw off him, but then Arreola hurt his arm.

But basically what you saw from rounds 3-6 is why i think alot of people were picking Arreola, i expected first few rounds to Adamek then Arreola to be to strong later on.

Yeah i agree, it seemed Adamek was connecting more often with cleaner shots, but Arreola's shots were doing the most hurt.
Didnt really seem either fighter was hurt badly though during the fight though i thought.

[Silencers]

I picked Arreola by mid to late KO, the times he landed those big right hands he had Adamek on spaghetti legs although he did hung in there and was able to shake off the cobwebs well, also the fact that each time he was hurt he threw back and never allowed Arreola to put a string of finishing touches when he had his man hurt, I was overall impressed with Adamek he fought a great fight. As far as Arreola hurting his hand, I don't know how much of that was a factor, he might have been exagerating a bit but nonetheless Adamak was dominant and I couldn't see Chris winning the fight except by a KO.

Adamek definitely did a good job of surviving when he got stunned or hurt, he clinched when he had to and punched when he had to. He showed his smarts in there. I'm inclined to believe Arreola about his hands though, he did seem to be less imposing after he hurt his left and definitely moreso after he hurt his right.

[QUOTE=Dynamite Kid;8193648]

100% agree, particularly.............. Adamek is the more durable, tougher fighter out of the two which could prove to be the difference down the stretch.

How do you see Haye connecting if he reaches in with the big punches given that Adamek does go straight back occasionally, do you think he could make Haye fall short and that Haye could leave himself open or do you think it would be a positive for Haye as he would follow up and chase Adamek back, or dont you think there is anything in that?

Falling short and being off balance is never a good thing, Adamek can definitely take advantage of Haye falling short with his right hand and being off balance, Haye is open at that moment for a counter right hand. But Haye is dangerous when he's in that position too because he's a quick guy, he still notices where his opponent is and when he thinks they are in range he throws a hook/uppercut almost out of a southpaw stance that his opponents don't see coming so Adamek would have to be careful.

Of course, Haye pushing Adamek back when Adamek doesn't want to go back would be a plus but he has to be careful about it, Adamek is a dangerous counterpuncher so Haye doesn't want to be falling off balance and even if he's not falling off balance he needs to keep his chin tucked and be wary of Adamek's right hand over the top of his low left.

[PH|L]

I picked Adamek too and bet on him but you know, there will almost always be a winner and a loser in a fight.

So those who picked the winner can always come back after the fight and say "I could not understand why so many picked the loser"

At the end of the day Adamek was the betting favorite going into the fight. When Arreola weighed in over 250lbs, that made me confident enough to bet on Adamek.

[Dynamite Kid]

[QUOTE=Silencers;8193778]Adamek definitely did a good job of surviving when he got stunned or hurt, he clinched when he had to and punched when he had to. He showed his smarts in there. I'm inclined to believe Arreola about his hands though, he did seem to be less imposing after he hurt his left and definitely moreso after he hurt his right.

Falling short and being off balance is never a good thing, Adamek can definitely take advantage of Haye falling short with his right hand and being off balance, Haye is open at that moment for a counter right hand. But Haye is dangerous when he's in that position too because he's a quick guy, he still notices where his opponent is and when he thinks they are in range he throws a hook/uppercut almost out of a southpaw stance that his opponents don't see coming so Adamek would have to be careful.

Of course, Haye pushing Adamek back when Adamek doesn't want to go back would be a plus but he has to be careful about it, Adamek is a dangerous counterpuncher so Haye doesn't want to be falling off balance and even if he's not falling off balance he needs to keep his chin tucked and be wary of Adamek's right hand over the top of his low left.

Agree.

I think Haye leans foward when looking for the right hand so a nice jab from range could break his rhythm, then when he is looking for the right spot to throw that could lead to him throwing it when he is not sure and leaving himself open to the point where Adamek could bring the right hand into play and catch him with the counter right, also i think doubling and tripling the jab would work a treat against Haye as he has a wide stance, which is okay to a degree, but Haye is also flat footed when in that posture and leaning foward a lot, he also likes to go straight back and only moves to the side when his back hits the ropes, i would also throw a double jab to his belly then explode the right hand over his low left, i would also jab to his chest and then throw the right hand, i think Haye is open to all kind of punches if you fight the right fight.

[PittyPat]

I, too, was surprised at how little faith the majority of folks had in Tomek. Even his fans. Here's some stuff I posted before the fight and, besides Adamek's power not affecting Arreola as much as I thought it would, I had it pretty much spot on...

See I think Tomek's speed and power are very underrated. They're deceptively good qualities, and I think he can either choose to outbox the brawling Arreola or trade with him using sharp, fast combinations. Being the superior boxer, he should be able to dictate the pace on his terms unless he allows himself to get muscled over.

I think speed will be the key here. Arreola's kinda fast with his hands for a HW, but Adamek is faster and more accurate. Some of the shots with which he nailed Golota were quick as hell, and crushingly powerful. Then again, he has a bad habit of dropping his shoulders and elbows when he throws combos - Arreola squares 'em up properly and might get his shots off better as a result.

Thankfully, Adamek got his shots off better and faster all night along.

[Silencers]

[QUOTE=Dynamite Kid;8193840]

Adamek definitely did a good job of surviving when he got stunned or hurt, he clinched when he had to and punched when he had to. He showed his smarts in there. I'm inclined to believe Arreola about his hands though, he did seem to be less imposing after he hurt his left and definitely moreso after he hurt his right.




Agree.

I think Haye leans foward when looking for the right hand so a nice jab from range could break his rhythm, then when he is looking for the right spot to throw that could lead to him throwing it when he is not sure and leaving himself open to the point where Adamek could bring the right hand into play and catch him with the counter right, also i think doubling and tripling the jab would work a treat against Haye as he has a wide stance, which is okay to a degree, but Haye is also flat footed when in that posture and leaning foward a lot, he also likes to go straight back and only moves to the side when his back hits the ropes, i would also throw a double jab to his belly then explode the right hand over his low left, i would also jab to his chest and then throw the right hand, i think Haye is open to all kind of punches if you fight the right fight.

Haye does a good job of rolling away from right hand when he senses them coming but yeah, he is quite open for the jab, Ruiz hit him with quite a few jabs which isn't really a good sign.

I think Haye has longer arms than Adamek and has a good, quick jab himself when he uses it, he doesn't use it enough. My point is though, Adamek has to be careful to not jab from too far out, especially to the body because Haye can counter him over the top and Haye might be able to sense the right hand coming and get his off before Adamek can fire his, if they fire at or around the same time, Haye's will get there first.