Comments Thread For: Weights: Chris Arreola 250.5, Tomasz Adamek 217

[Beater_of_ass]

I am the one that stated Chris really has not fought anyone. And if you believe otherwise fill me in because I really am interested in your opinion on why you believe I am wrong with that assessment. With that said, I never claimed that the heavyweight division is a pile of crap. Simply because I am one that truly believes that the Klit brothers are just to good for the current crop of heavyweight fighters. And I have a novel idea. Maybe if the top heavyweights started to fight each other instead of just waiting around for their shot at the money. Just maybe if they fought each other maybe it would better prepare them for when they do get their shot at one of the Klit brothers. Nah, I guess that is to much to ask.

I didn't say Arreola fought anyone worth of note, but thats because I think the HW division is crap, and its not something he can control. Though, with Adamek, Haye and Arreola coming into the picture along with the Klits, I think there is some talent there. That being said, those are the top Heavyweights and I'm sure when Arreola was offered about 1 million dollars to fight Klit why would he pass it up. Yes, he was probably rushed into the fight given his lack of quality opponents, however, it did put his name on the map and with this fight lines up a possible match against Haye, should he win. If he were to win that match up he could get a rematch with Vitali or a shot at Vlad, all really adding to his resume. I'm also not saying that the top guys shouldn't fight each other, I'm ALL about it. And we may not have had it recently but it looks as if they can't hide from each other anymore. They've essentially all been beat by the Klit brothers and have no one else to fight and now we're getting these match ups, better late than never.

[Pirao]

Oh, you mean like when Arreola was so effective against Klitscho with that power?

The reason I said that is because boxing skill is what would get Ademak KOd. Ademak has fought at cruiser weight and better competition than Arreola hands down.

The only way he will get KOd is from Arreola clinching and trying to muscle him into a position to get a lucky punch. And that is all.

I wasn't comparing their power. Jesus, where did I say that. I was comparing the liklihood of KO. Statistically from my view, Dawson had a much higher probability of scoring a TKO or KO on Ademak than Arreola does. Why is that so hard to comprehend.

Nonsense, how can Dawson have a much higher probability of a KO when he hits much much weaker than Arreola? Because according to you he would connect more? If he connects that much, then why does he have a KO % of barely above 50%? Maybe you think Dawson should be fighting at HW, since according to you Arreola won't hit Adamek, and Dawson was able to do it, he should be able to hit the slow Arreola at will, while not getting hit himself, right?

Adamek has fought better competition, in lighter weights, that means very little when you step up to HW. If all that better competition he fought at CW was able to make a dent in the HW division, they would all move up because that's where the big money is.

[Stromprophet]

when did adamek become a boxer with brilliant defence? Arreola will land big at some point its just weather or not adamek will take it. I like chris in this fight mid to late k.o/tko despite being a fat turd

He's been good enough to not get KOd in 39 fights.

It's also that fact that Arreola is only accurate with people who exchange with him. They have to be right in front of him and not moving.

Adamek is exactly the type that will stay outside, box, and simply clinch up or move to avoid exchanges.

[Stromprophet]

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Nonsense, how can Dawson have a much higher probability of a KO when he hits much much weaker than Arreola?

OMG, you cannot be serious.

The biggest puncher doesn't always have the best chance of KOing similar fighters.

Let me test your instincts here.

Would you have agreed that going into the Margarito fight, that Cotto had more power than Mosely did when he fought Marg?

Which one of them KOd him?

There's limitless comparisons like this. You can be the biggest puncher in the history of Boxing and it doesn't mean you're going to have a higher probability of KOing someone.

Because according to you he would connect more? If he connects that much, then why does he have a KO % of barely above 50%? Maybe you think Dawson should be fighting at HW, since according to you Arreola won't hit Adamek, and Dawson was able to do it, he should be able to hit the slow Arreola at will, while not getting hit himself, right?

I'm simply comparing them to a common fighter. Not to hard to get. It's not always the biggest puncher who has the highest chance to KO,TKO someone.

I could show you a ton of fighters who fought similar opponents and the strongest or biggest puncher didn't always have the best chance to KO the other guy.

Adamek has fought better competition, in lighter weights, that means very little when you step up to HW. If all that better competition he fought at CW was able to make a dent in the HW division, they would all move up because that's where the big money is.

Yet that didn't stop people like Bhop from bulking up and moving up in class and destroyed the guy considered *the man* at a higher weight class.

There were plenty of guys from Mike Tyson, to Ali, To Frazier, who weren't the biggest heavies, weren't always the strongest, etc, etc.

Frazier had a better chance to KO,TKO Ali than Foreman. Explain that one away. Foreman probably had one of the most devestating punches in the history of Heavy Weights. Yet Frazier actually knocked Ali down, Foreman never did.

[Stromprophet]

I guess I don't know any other way to explain it.

In my mind, I would give Chris Arreola a 1% Chance to KO Vitali Klitscho. I was very right in that assessment as he was never even close to doing it.

See the stats on the last page. Chris was never even close to hurting Vitali at any point in that fight. He only landed 24 power punches the entire fight, most of which he landed during clinches, with no power behind them.

I would give someone with less punching power than Chris a better chance simply because they might actually have the skill to hit Vitali, to move in and out, to control the ring, etc.

For all I know, Chris could certainly be a bigger punch than say Wladimir, but I would hands down give Wladimir a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better shot at KO,TKOing his bro. Why is that hard to understand?

[Pirao]

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OMG, you cannot be serious.

The biggest puncher doesn't always have the best chance of KOing similar fighters.

Let me test your instincts here.

Would you have agreed that going into the Margarito fight, that Cotto had more power than Mosely did when he fought Marg?

Which one of them KOd him?

There's limitless comparisons like this. You can be the biggest puncher in the history of Boxing and it doesn't mean you're going to have a higher probability of KOing someone.



I'm simply comparing them to a common fighter. Not to hard to get. It's not always the biggest puncher who has the highest chance to KO,TKO someone.

I could show you a ton of fighters who fought similar opponents and the strongest or biggest puncher didn't always have the best chance to KO the other guy.



Yet that didn't stop people like Bhop from bulking up and moving up in class and destroyed the guy considered *the man* at a higher weight class.

There were plenty of guys from Mike Tyson, to Ali, To Frazier, who weren't the biggest heavies, weren't always the strongest, etc, etc.

Frazier had a better chance to KO Ali than Foreman. Explain that one away. Foreman probably had one of the most devestating punches in the history of Heavy Weights. Yet Frazier actually knocked Ali down, Foreman never did.

You're trying to say that styles make fights, something that everybody knows, you're not being innovative or anything. Where you fail miserably is in analyzing the styles: Dawson hits much weaker than Arreola, Arreola hits hard plus Adamek's defence is not very good, he gets by with his good chin, but a good chin at lighter weights doesn't mean you have a good HW chin. Estrada hit Adamek everytime he threw, no problem.

Your examples with lighter fighters jumping divisions doesn't work, jumping from MW to SMW, or from WW to Jr MW or whatever, can't be compared to moving to HW.

[Ravens Fan]

I didn't say Arreola fought anyone worth of note, but thats because I think the HW division is crap, and its not something he can control. Though, with Adamek, Haye and Arreola coming into the picture along with the Klits, I think there is some talent there. That being said, those are the top Heavyweights and I'm sure when Arreola was offered about 1 million dollars to fight Klit why would he pass it up. Yes, he was probably rushed into the fight given his lack of quality opponents, however, it did put his name on the map and with this fight lines up a possible match against Haye, should he win. If he were to win that match up he could get a rematch with Vitali or a shot at Vlad, all really adding to his resume. I'm also not saying that the top guys shouldn't fight each other, I'm ALL about it. And we may not have had it recently but it looks as if they can't hide from each other anymore. They've essentially all been beat by the Klit brothers and have no one else to fight and now we're getting these match ups, better late than never.

I actually agree with most of what you have said. However, what I disagree with is that you make it sound as if Arreola was not part of the problem. Well I believe he was part of problem and by his own choice. I believe any of the top heavyweights could fight each other if they were not so concerned about one thing the big pay day. If they were interested in their place in history and they really had a love for the sport they would fight the best and earn a shot at the champs. But, I believe most of them don't care about anything other than that big payday and are not simply not very hungry. Well, Arreola might very well be hungry it is just in the wrong way. And instead of Arreola fighting another Ring top ten fighter he is lined up tp fight the most recognizable fighter that he believes is most likely the easiest to beat. But don't get me wrong I believe Chris thinks he will have an easy time with Adamek. And he very may have his way with him but it is also very possible that he will sadly be mistaken and learn the hard way that he should not have taken Adamek for granted. And please don't anyone tell me how dedicated Chris is this time around because he lost 13 pounds. Because in reality he is still a fat blob with big ole man boobs. And someone even stated earlier that it would have been to dangerous for Chris to lose 23 or 25 pounds between the fights and I say bull**** to that. Because he last fought back in December and I myself lost 42 pounds in three months when I went through US Army basic training at Ft. Benning, GA. And when it was all said and done I was the healthiest I had ever been in my life. So, if Chris was really that dedicated and had the right people around him he could do the same. However, he was not disciplined enough and did not even bother to do it when he fought for the heavyweight championship of the world. So what makes anyone believe that he will ever do it for any other reason?

[Tomasio]

The article says that Arreola's body looked slimmer & with more definition..¿?..Unless they refer to man boobs & a blubber belly as more definition!HAHAHA!

[PittyPat]

What is a "goral", anyway?

[Mikhnienko]

What is a "goral", anyway?

It's a sub-ethnic group of Slavic people. Highlanders that live in the Carpathian mountians around the boarders of Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic. Adamek is a Goral.