Comments Thread For: Weights: Chris Arreola 250.5, Tomasz Adamek 217

[Steelhammer2011]

Don't judge a book by it's cover. Arreola is an extremely dangerous beast.

I'm rooting for Adamek, but I think he may have bitten off more than he can chew. My heart says Adamek by Decision, but my head says Arreola by TKO.

[Ravens Fan]

Well, if you count the 10 something or 20 cans every boxer faces early in his career, I guess you're right. What kind of argument where you trying to make by saying that, exactly? Please explain your reasoning, if you said that it must have been for some reason, but I can't really figure it out.

Okay, since you asked I will try to explain. First off you stated that Walker had beaten Estrada. That is fair enough because it did indeed happen. However, Estrada happened to be fighting in only his eight fight and at the time Walker had over 20 fights under his belt. So, is it really any surprise that Estrada lost? And I will also ask who were Arreola's best opponents? I am not going to pretend that I know where each of his opponents were ranked when he fought them. But, what I do know is that not one was ranked in the top ten by Ring Magazine. And as of now, excluding Vitali, Minto is the highest currently ranked opponent Chris has fought and that is at 25th in the cruiserweight division. That alone says a lot about Chris's career. And a few of the recognizable heavyweight opponents Chris has fought are no longer even ranked in the top 100. And it is not like he fought them five or ten years ago. Those fights were all just in the past couple of years. And if you believe that knocking out Walker is any big feat. He was just knocked out last month for the fourth time in as many loses for the NABF heavyweight title by former cruiserweight Adamek victim, Jonathan Banks. Now I shall go back and take another look at Estrada.

So, as Arreola's former victims drifted into complete heavyweight oblivion, Estrada stayed ranked about 15th in the world. And he even gave a good showing when he fought currently ranked number three heavyweight in the world Povetkin. Because I actually believe that the Estrada-Povetkin fight was pretty even until the last two rounds. And at the very least Estrada fared much better in his fight against Povetkin than Arreola did against Vitali. So, to answerer your question. Yes, I believe that Estrada is still possibly a better fighter than many, if not all, of the opponents that Arreola has faced.

[pistol whip]

Okay, since you asked I will try to explain. First off you stated that Walker had beaten Estrada. That is fair enough because it did indeed happen. However, Estrada happened to be fighting in only his eight fight and at the time Walker had over 20 fights under his belt. So, is it really any surprise that Estrada lost? And I will also ask who were Arreola's best opponents? I am not going to pretend that I know where each of his opponents were ranked when he fought them. But, what I do know is that not one was ranked in the top ten by Ring Magazine. And as of now, excluding Vitali, Minto is the highest currently ranked opponent Chris has fought and that is at 25th in the cruiserweight division. That alone says a lot about Chris's career. And a few of the recognizable heavyweight opponents Chris has fought are no longer even ranked in the top 100. And it is not like he fought them five or ten years ago. Those fights were all just in the past couple of years. And if you believe that knocking out Walker is any big feat. He was just knocked out last month for the fourth time in as many loses for the NABF heavyweight title by former cruiserweight Adamek victim, Jonathan Banks. Now I shall go back and take another look at Estrada.

So, as Arreola's former victims drifted into complete heavyweight oblivion, Estrada stayed ranked about 15th in the world. And he even gave a good showing when he fought currently ranked number three heavyweight in the world Povetkin. Because I actually believe that the Estrada-Povetkin fight was pretty even until the last two rounds. And at the very least Estrada fared much better in his fight against Povetkin than Arreola did against Vitali. So, to answerer your question. Yes, I believe that Estrada is still possibly a better fighter than many, if not all, of the opponents that Arreola has faced.

Enough with the triangle theory, if Adamek loses tomarrow will this shut you the *** up about this?

Oh and just to correct you on a earlier post, Arreola is an American.

[Ravens Fan]

Arreola is American dummy!

Oh yes, I stand corrected because he is in fact Mexican-American. Or don't you understand that concept?

[Walt Liquor]

Don't judge a book by it's cover. Arreola is a very dangerous beast.

I'm rooting for Adamek, but I think he may have bitten off more than he can chew. My heart says Adamek by Decision, but my head says Arreola by TKO.

this is exactly what I think. Adamek is one of my favorite fighters (top 10) but I think chris is too powerful and adamek likes to fight too much.

chris also has underrated boxing ability

[Ravens Fan]

Enough with the triangle theory, if Adamek loses tomarrow will this shut you the *** up about this?

Oh and just to correct you on a earlier post, Arreola is an American.

No it will not, because I never once stated that Adamek would win. I simply said that overall Adamek has fought the better opponents in his respective weight divisions during his career as compared to Chris. And you really have no argument.

[pistol whip]

No it will not, because I never once stated that Adamek would win. I simply said that overall Adamek has fought the better opponents in his respective weight divisions during his career as compared to Chris. And you really have no argument.

My argument has been from the start that you can't use what Adamek did in the Cruiser and LHW divisions and compare it to Arreola's resume because one Arreola never fought in those divisions and two the HW division is so barren of talent that you could make the same argument that Adamek has a better resume than all of the top 10 HW's in the division who arn't named Vitali or Wlad.

So my question is what are you stating that isn't obvious?

[Derranged_]

Damn-Arreola looked trimmer than that,but he is a big guy anyways....I thought the fight is in 2 more days,why the weigh in today? weird....

Sometimes heavyweights weigh-in two days before the fight to try to generate more publicity (2 extra days instead of 1) and they obviously don't have to make a certain weight...

As for the fight, I think Arreola has taken his training much more seriously than in previous fights. Also, it looks like he's been spending alot time in the tattoo parlor rather than at the burrito stand...

[Ravens Fan]

My argument has been from the start that you can't use what Adamek did in the Cruiser and LHW divisions and compare it to Arreola's resume because one Arreola never fought in those divisions and two the HW division is so barren of talent that you could make the same argument that Adamek has a better resume than all of the top 10 HW's in the division who arn't named Vitali or Wlad.

So my question is what are you stating that isn't obvious?

You will get no argument out me that Adamek has a better record as compared to most of the top ten heavyweights. Simply because other than the Klit brothers and Eddie Chambers the Ring top ten don't seem to want to fight each other. And don't seem interested in fighting anyone but a champion. And for the sake of argument I want to put Adamek and what he has done aside for a moment.

With Adamek out of the way let us compare Arreola's record say to Pacquiao's record. Can you honestly say that you cannot see that the Pacman is a much better fighter by comparing what they have done in their respective careers simply because Arreola has never fought below heavyweight? And if you truly believe this cannot not be done I will have to ask how do you suppose publications such as Ring magazine, and Boxing Scene itself, come up with their P4P ratings? Paquiao sits at the the top of many P4P list and for good reason. He sits on top of a list of fighters that weigh much more than he does and fight in weight divisions he will never fight in. So what do you suppose the determining factors are to make the list? I will say that I am no expert but I would think they do it by comparing fighters overall records, regardless of weight divisions, to determine who has consistently fought the better fighters. So, I have to ask if Ring magazine and just about anyone else is able to compare records and come up with a list of fighters from different weight divisions to make up a P4P list why can't you see the difference by comparing the records of just two fighters? And just for chits and giggles I Googled and found a P4P list with 100 boxers on it. And I will adnit that this was just one writers opinion. But, it really was no surprise that Adamek came in at number 33 and Arreola did not crack the top 100. Now that all might change after tomorrow night. However, unless Chris does something dramatically different in his career Adamek will still have had the much better overall career.

[Beater_of_ass]

Why exactly are people dissing Arreola? I mean seriously, you guys in one statement say that the entire HW division is crap, then in the next you say Chris hasn't fought anyone worth ****. How can this argument even be taken seriously with crap like that as your substance. If you want to dog on his size thats fine, yes, he fat but he showed that he is still in shape stamina wise. He was getting tagged all night, but never tired he simply wasn't fast or long enough to catch Vitali. Aside from his weight what exactly is there to say negative about this guy? He's killed just about everyone he's been in the ring with, he showed he has great stamina against Vitali as well as a great chin. He also punches in combination something hardly any HW does, and again all this with good stamina and great power as well.

So whats his biggest fault other than weight exactly, which BTW has nothing to do with his skill. He has one loss to Vitali, who was well on his way to winning the Lennox Lewis fight if it wasn't for that nasty cut. These guys are looked at as being some of the best HW of all time, even in a weak division I'd give them at worse a very solid shot with Frasier, Ali, Evander, Foreman and could see them beating every one of those fights even. Would I favor them, no but a win over these guys wouldn't shock me. This is what I hate about boxing fans, a guy loses one fight against a much taller and experienced opponent and he's looked like as crap. The guy has great skill and I'm picking his this sat due to that, and nothing more. He has the style for Adamek as someone can dodge 1 or 2 shots but Chris throws 3, 4, 5 and keeps following you around, which is the strategy needed to beat a guy with Adameks style.