Did Manny duck Mayweather when he put the weight penalty in the contract?

[PH|L]

Fair enough. I'd say two and it seems you say three. Pretty close fight with Cotto forced to fight off his backfoot in the championship rounds. Mosley fought as if he had no strategy that night. I also think it's safe to say that Mosley would probably manhandle Cotto now and even a year ago. No need to downplay the version we will see on May 1. At his age, it's not good to be too active anyway. Plus, he's a vet and knows how to keep himself fresh. Like Shane says, "I'm on the Hopkins plan." so far it's working.

I don't think that Mosley would manhandle Cotto at all. No way in hell actually. If he couldn't do it then, he wouldn't do it now.

Let's not downplay the version of Mosley that we'll see on May 1st but lets not make him out to be some unbeatable force either. Let's call a spade a spade.

[IMDAZED]

I don't think that Mosley would manhandle Cotto at all. No way in hell actually. If he couldn't do it then, he wouldn't do it now.

Cotto is just not the same fighter who fought Mosley a few years ago. At all. Much slower, punch resistance has slowed, reflexes have slowed...everything.

Let's not downplay the version of Mosley that we'll see on May 1st but lets not make him out to be some unbeatable force either. Let's call a spade a spade.

Mosley unbeatable? No. But he is the #1 welter IMO and a master craftsman.

[PH|L]

Cotto is just not the same fighter who fought Mosley a few years ago. At all. Much slower, punch resistance has slowed, reflexes have slowed...everything.


Mosley unbeatable? No. But he is the #1 welter IMO and a master craftsman.

Disagree. Cotto looked pretty similar even though the results were different against Judah, Mosley, Margo, Clottey and Pac. The results were all different because the opponents are all different.

Don't forget he was rocked hard against Judah early in the fight just like he was rocked hard against Pac early in the fight. Margo and Mosley took his bombs and kept coming just like Clottey and Pac took his bombs and kept coming. Margo and Mosley made him tired just like Pac and Clottey made him tired.

You can't on one hand that Cotto is so far removed from his form against Mosley, and at the same time say that Mosley is still in the same form or better than he was against Cotto.

Cotto lost by TKO to Margo, but Mosley is 3 years older at 39 and has been inactive for well over a year now.

And I don't have Mosley as the #1 WW. I consider the WW championship vacant. I consider the 3 best WW's currently to be Pac, PBF, and then Mosley in that order.

Anyways, those are my points but I know that we probably won't agree on this one.

[IMDAZED]

Disagree. Cotto looked pretty similar even though the results were different against Judah, Mosley, Margo, Clottey and Pac. The results were all different because the opponents are all different.

I'm not sure what you mean by "pretty similar." In what way/

Don't forget he was rocked hard against Judah early in the fight just like he was rocked hard against Pac early in the fight. Margo and Mosley took his bombs and kept coming just like Clottey and Pac took his bombs and kept coming. Margo and Mosley made him tired just like Pac and Clottey made win wilt under pressure.

I think saying "rocked hard" against Judah is overstating it. Zab certainly got his attention but Cotto wasn't "rocked." And that's about all he did. Also, I'm not saying Cotto's power has changed, which the rest of this post seems to imply.

You can't on one hand that Cotto is so far removed from his form against Mosley, and at the same time say that Mosley is still in the same form or better than he was against Cotto.

Why not?

Cotto lost by TKO to Margo, but Mosley is 3 years older at 39 and has been inactive for well over a year now.

Cotto took a bigger beating from Margarito than Mosley has taken his whole career combined. I'm not sure what your comparison is. Yes, Mosley is three years older...and? The two aren't related and age is nothing but a number.

And I don't have Mosley as the #1 WW. I consider the WW championship vacant. I consider the 3 best WW's currently to be Pac, PBF, and then Mosley in that order.

So at worst, Mosley is #3. Fair enough.

Personally, I don't believe Cotto has been the same since the Margarito fight. Just my take.

[Boxingholic]

Like I keep saying Pac and his team would not give any advantages to Flyod, not 1 !!! Flyod has been known to come over the weight limit with minimal fines. Thats the reason Pac turn down Flyods drug testing requirement, bec. Flyod cant be trusted. Hell look whats happening with Mosley and how many times he gets tested compared to Flyod. Pac vs Flyod were about to happen, till Flyod requested his own testing, which Pac dont want nothing to do with, cant blame Pac for it.

[dibzvincent143]

LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. it was really obvious floyd was the one who ducked....
he was the one who called out manny.
then pac agreed.
then a week of silence from floyd's camp.
after a week, there goes the ****in blood test/ped issues.(but floyd sr. was already setting it up months before--that is his job that is why floyd jr reconciled with him)
pac again agreed. 1 for the first press con. another 30 days prior. then another 1 immediately after the fight.
its not about weight sh^t. both of them can make 147 very very easy. how can u expect one of them won't agree. negotiations was still on going til january. its obvious floyd doesnt want the fight coz he'll still continued going to night out parties, there, the rick ross issues occured. he should've been preparing just in case the fight happens.
and the worst move is the buzzer-beater-signing-of-contract against marquez the day pac-hatton fought. but atleast.the *****s were lucky. there was a perfect excuse for that. (floyd needs a tune up!) LOL.

[PH|L]

I'm not sure what you mean by "pretty similar." In what way

I think saying "rocked hard" against Judah is overstating it. Zab certainly got his attention but Cotto wasn't "rocked." And that's about all he did. Also, I'm not saying Cotto's power has changed, which the rest of this post seems to imply.

Why not?


Cotto took a bigger beating from Margarito than Mosley has taken his whole career combined. I'm not sure what your comparison is. Yes, Mosley is three years older...and? The two aren't related and age is nothing but a number.

So at worst, Mosley is #3. Fair enough.

Personally, I don't believe Cotto has been the same since the Margarito fight. Just my take.

Fair enough. I've stated my points and you've stated yours.

[Alibata]

and theres proof on that lol........check pac morales 2......

I know, Floyd loves Manny when he doesn't have to fight him.

[titan_1987]

"peeleft:

Damn, these retarted manny pac hatethreads has become obscenely disgusting. Usual haters just love flooding this kind of threads

Try to engage in some debate, and you'll be automatically branded as a nuthugger.

[Alibata]

Cotto is just not the same fighter who fought Mosley a few years ago. At all. Much slower, punch resistance has slowed, reflexes have slowed...everything.


Mosley unbeatable? No. But he is the #1 welter IMO and a master craftsman.

If ain't the typical excuse... We heard that before ain't we.. Wolf!!! Wolf!!!