10 years from now don't start saying Valero is an ATG..

[Clegg]

He has a perfect KO percentage so for that he will always be at the top of the record books. You cant take that away from him.

Yep, his place in history is secured right alongside that of Tyrone Brunson. The two best boxers of their era, no doubt about it.

[Dan...]

It will settle in soon. Having all those KOs in the first is huge. No matter your comp. Tyson or Foreman couldn't even do that. Also how do you characterize him being a great fighter? Sanchez that is.

It seems that you're just highly upset rigt now.

Lol, wow, didn't expect that coming from you Vers.

I'm not upset at all. I won't hide the fact that I thought Valero was a **** and I'm glad he is done for though.

Sal was a great fighter IMO. He had a very good run as Featherweight champ. Gomez was an absolute beast when they fought and Sal crushed him in a war. Obviously the win over Azumah was great as well, particularly given how great Azumah turned out to be. Great win. He beat a string of top contenders in addition to that. Had a short but great career.

Who did Valero beat? Is there a Wilfredo Gomez on his resume? How about an Azumah Nelson? What's that? No. We basically got a sting of bums he KO'd, 2 ****ty title defences and an unproven Antonio DeMarco. That's it.

I'm fine with you not categorising Sanchez as a great, but to even pretend that his accomplishments and Valero's are even mildly comparable is the definition of ******ity.

[Dan...]

That's cool,

but did you see Valero lose to a journeyman?

Don't compare a bum like Brunsom to Valero, and don't compare Valero to Sanchez...

Yeah, I'm just going to adopt the opinion that no one actually meant to do this.

This is supposed to be a ****ing boxing forum after all.

[Clegg]

I prefer that he killed himself, rather than go to prison.

It saves us from years of 'if he was released now, could he beat Floyd?' threads, followed by a Tony Ayala-style comeback in 15 years time.

[Max05]

Against 28 bums...

DeMarco was a prospect...

De Marco beat living **** out of KID DIAMOND and few other legit fighters.

And you all forgot that VALERO beat the crap out of MORALES and HOYA in sparring.

He beat MORALES so bad that people for months were saying that this aint MORALES in video.

[Max05]

to me it's about who you have beaten who cares if a fighter kos people to someone else who is a tactical king and wins on decisions

valero hasn't done ****

STFU dumby

He have WBA superfeatherweight belt and WBC lightweight belt.

[Killa Killa]

De Marco beat living **** out of KID DIAMOND and few other legit fighters.

And you all forgot that VALERO beat the crap out of MORALES and HOYA in sparring.

He beat MORALES so bad that people for months were saying that this aint MORALES in video.

Morales been shot....and sparring isn't the real thing...which is when the game really changes...

[Dan...]

De Marco beat living **** out of KID DIAMOND and few other legit fighters.

And you all forgot that VALERO beat the crap out of MORALES and HOYA in sparring.

He beat MORALES so bad that people for months were saying that this aint MORALES in video.

Oh so he did well in sparring???

Apologies, my bad, clearly the GOAT.

[Killa Killa]

Yeah, I'm just going to adopt the opinion that no one actually meant to do this.

This is supposed to be a ****ing boxing forum after all.

I never said anything negative about Sanchez...just used him for comparison...

[jrosales13]

Yeah, I'm just going to adopt the opinion that no one actually meant to do this.

This is supposed to be a ****ing boxing forum after all.

I don't think the TS meant to do it either. And, before I he cleared it up already.

I have no problem with Killa Killa I enjoy his posts. I enjoyed it more when he was saying B and talking like Cameron. But, still cool

Is just the Sanchez line threw me off guard. But, you right I don't think he meant it that way.