10 years from now don't start saying Valero is an ATG..

[Max05]

Morales been shot....and sparring isn't the real thing...which is when the game really changes...

that was before PAC 1 fight

so MORALES wasnt shot

YOU FAIL

[jrosales13]

I never said anything negative about Sanchez...just used him for comparison...

I think a better comparison would of been Ibeabuchi or Tony Ayala. I think Tony Ayala is perfect because he had a lot of hype and his career was cut short due to going to jail. Ibeabuchi at least had two really good wins against Tua and Byrd. So there is reason for their hype. But, neither of them died though they just went to jail. I guess you wanted to use somebody who died prematurely as an example...

[Max05]

Oh so he did well in sparring???

Apologies, my bad, clearly the GOAT.

You are ****** on another level.

He beat the crap out of anyone in sparring(MORALES,HOYA,ANTILLON,SANTA CRUZ) and he knock the **** out of every fighter he fought.

What you want more you dumb **** face?

[jrosales13]

You are ****** on another level.

He beat the crap out of anyone in sparring(MORALES,HOYA,ANTILLON,SANTA CRUZ) and he knock the **** out of every fighter he fought.

What you want more you dumb **** face?

Dude he is not even a HOF'er, not even borderline lets cut the nonsense.

[Killa Killa]

You are ****** on another level.

He beat the crap out of anyone in sparring(MORALES,HOYA,ANTILLON,SANTA CRUZ) and he knock the **** out of every fighter he fought.

What you want more you dumb **** face?

LMAO, you idiot....

You act like sparring means anything outside of the training gym...

[Dan...]

You are ****** on another level.

He beat the crap out of anyone in sparring(MORALES,HOYA,ANTILLON,SANTA CRUZ) and he knock the **** out of every fighter he fought.

What you want more you dumb **** face?

LOL.

I want him to beat something better than a B-level fighter before he is compared to Salvador Sanchez. That is what I want.

I was a fan of Valero before all this ****. I really enjoyed the DeMarco fight, thought he was going on to big things and I was ready to jump on the train.

He was obviously just an evil **** of a human though. Thank god he is no longer on this planet, thieving oxygen from the rest of us.

[Killa Killa]

I think a better comparison would of been Ibeabuchi or Tony Ayala. I think Tony Ayala is perfect because he had a lot of hype and his career was cut short due to going to jail. Ibeabuchi at least had two really good wins against Tua and Byrd. So there is reason for their hype. But, neither of them died though they just went to jail. I guess you wanted to use somebody who died prematurely as an example...

Yea, I see what you're saying, but it was mainly along the lines of the premature death scenario...

[Sweet Pea 50]

Do you think people are going to start ranking him as one of the greatest Lightweights of all time...?? (Delusional people)

The way people ranked Salvador Sanchez after his death, though Sanchez had a few decent wins...

Thoughts...

I see where you are coming from. But let's get **** straight. Sanchez beat Azumah Nelson. That ain't just a "decent" win.

[aristotlemoses]

You are ****** on another level.

He beat the crap out of anyone in sparring(MORALES,HOYA,ANTILLON,SANTA CRUZ) and he knock the **** out of every fighter he fought.

What you want more you dumb **** face?

If he sparred Jesus Christ and whooped in, it wouldn't mean ****. Nobody looks back on a fighters career and says wow that guy was great in sparring. And it's not like he died in a crash or something dude murdered his wife and took the easy way out.

[Roxas]

I give it a few months then it'll start to sink into their reatarded heads