Why the criticism over berto Flaws but

[Clegg]

Burner, you're just overrating Collazo to make Berto look better.

He's not even that slick. His movement is not anything special IMO. He's a good counter-puncher and he's a southpaw, but that doesn't mean he's some great 'slick' boxer.

Mosley beat him, Hatton beat him. Yet Berto winning a decision that most people disagreed with is OK because Pac destroyed Miguel Cotto, who is not slick, and this is important even though Cotto is far better than Collazo, did much better against Mosley than Collazo did, and would do much better against Hatton than Collazo did.

This 'slick boxer' stuff is ******. Berto showed lots of flaws against Collazo and Quintana because they are the only good fighters he's ever fought.

[Dynamite Kid]

Like who? Collazo?

The slick southpaw.

I don't agree with this nonsense. Irrespective of how Berto got his belt - how should be be 'expected' to do better against these guys? Collazo and Quintana are good boxers.... Berto's career so far is what it is - why are there these expectations of him? Is it because he's black and American he should be the next Ray Leonard?

Well all i have seen from is him get dropped against Rivera, get hurt against David Estrada, struggle against Collazo, hold like a mofo to get by Urango, look trash against Quintana and win his title from a nobody.

[Clegg]

Well all i have seen from is him get dropped against Rivera, get hurt against David Estrada, struggle against Collazo, hold like a mofo to get by Urango, look trash against Quintana and win his title from a nobody.

I expect Burner will be telling us in a minute that Urango is a slick boxer.

[Crazylegs77]

Pacman wasnt dropped by Cosme Rivera a few fights ago.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Burner, you're just overrating Collazo to make Berto look better.

He's not even that slick. His movement is not anything special IMO. He's a good counter-puncher and he's a southpaw, but that doesn't mean he's some great 'slick' boxer.

Mosley beat him, Hatton beat him. Yet Berto winning a decision that most people disagreed with is OK because Pac destroyed Miguel Cotto, who is not slick, and this is important even though Cotto is far better than Collazo, did much better against Mosley than Collazo did, and would do much better against Hatton than Collazo did.

This 'slick boxer' stuff is ******. Berto showed lots of flaws against Collazo and Quintana because they are the only good fighters he's ever fought.

When did I overrate Collazo? I simply said he was a slick lefty. I never called him great. Im making the point that hes hard to look good against. Would you agree?

I dont get the Cotto-Pac-Berto connection at all.

Anyway, Berto is still considered green even up to the Mosley-Berto stuff he was still called green.

So you are saying styles dont make fights? When you say Collazo and Q were just good. The slick southpaw style played a role. Why do you think Lennox Lewis never fought a lefty?

[Imhotep]

Burner, you're just overrating Collazo to make Berto look better.

He's not even that slick. His movement is not anything special IMO. He's a good counter-puncher and he's a southpaw, but that doesn't mean he's some great 'slick' boxer.

Mosley beat him, Hatton beat him. Yet Berto winning a decision that most people disagreed with is OK because Pac destroyed Miguel Cotto, who is not slick, and this is important even though Cotto is far better than Collazo, did much better against Mosley than Collazo did, and would do much better against Hatton than Collazo did.

This 'slick boxer' stuff is ******. Berto showed lots of flaws against Collazo and Quintana because they are the only good fighters he's ever fought.

Collazo is a slick fighter and i`m willing to bet that Pac would struggle with him and might even beat him.


Collazo is not gonna go straight at a suspected roid user.He`s gonna give roidquaio angles.

[Imhotep]

Pacman wasnt dropped by Cosme Rivera a few fights ago.

Pacquiao was dropped twice by bums before.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I expect Burner will be telling us in a minute that Urango is a slick boxer.

What is your issue?

I have never implied or said once that Urango is a slick boxer.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Collazo is a slick fighter and i`m willing to bet that Pac would struggle with him and might even beat him.


Collazo is not gonna go straight at a suspected roid user.He`s gonna give roidquaio angles.

Any Pac fan with a pulse and working brain knows that Pac would struggle with Collazo. They wont admit it though.

I cant believe people dont get the concept that its hard to look good vs. slick lefties.

[ThePunchingBag]

Any Pac fan with a pulse and working brain knows that Pac would struggle with Collazo. They wont admit it though.

I cant believe people dont get the concept that its hard to look good vs. slick lefties.

Struggle? maybe, lose? no.

Even if Collazo has the stylistic advantages over Pacquiao, he doesn't have the tools to implement them well enough to beat Pacquiao.