Do You Think Old School Fighters Get Overrated?

[Olympus450]

yeah they fought more people back then but it just means that old time fighters fought more bums
Look at JLC junior, the guy has over 45 wins under his belt and he aint rated ****

[JAB5239]

Old school fighters would beat modern day ones, and it would even be close. Jesse Owens is faster than Usain Bolt as well.

Jesse Owens ran on a dirt track in canvas sneakers. Bolt runs on a rubber track in aerodynamic clothing with lighter shoes and spikes. Not saying Owens would be faster, but the is a huge difference in equipment and conditions.

[BigStereotype]

Dempsey's style only looks crude because of the crappy film of the day. You have to ask yourself why people who actually saw him fight and have watched todays fighters still think so highly of him? You have to ask yourself if there were multiple camera angles, color footage and the same type of film and film speed back then as there is today, would he really look like that, or would you be able to see more of the nuances and fluidity of todays fight game?

Have you ever seen the video TheGreatA posted of Vitaly in the speed of the older fights? He looked no better than Primo Carnera and that is not an exaggeration or and hate towards Vitaly.

There are certainly fighters today that are better than back than. But as a whole this is not true. Fighters than were they equal of today, they just fought under tougher circumstances.

I have considered the film quality, but a lot of it is just him bulling forward into an opponent. Film quality isn't responsible for him reaching behind his head to throw haymaker after haymaker. A lot of old school fight fans remember him so fondly because of nostalgia. He reminds them of their youth, I think. I've been trying to find remastered versions of fights, because I have seen some Rocky Marciano stuff that is HQ, just only clips. I wish I could find the full fights and really see how skilled he was technically. If you know where to find any of those remastered links, I would be much obliged. I just feel like fighters on average are more skilled than they were in the 20's, 30's and 40's, but a lot less tough. That is one thing those guys had going for them.

[JAB5239]

yeah they fought more people back then but it just means that old time fighters fought more bums
Look at JLC junior, the guy has over 45 wins under his belt and he aint rated ****

It also means they fought more quality opponents. More fighters back then, less weight classes, one title = better resumes.

[gqjohnb]

I think track and field is a clear illustration of slow but steady improvements in athletes abilities.

[JAB5239]

I have considered the film quality, but a lot of it is just him bulling forward into an opponent. Film quality isn't responsible for him reaching behind his head to throw haymaker after haymaker. A lot of old school fight fans remember him so fondly because of nostalgia. He reminds them of their youth, I think. I've been trying to find remastered versions of fights, because I have seen some Rocky Marciano stuff that is HQ, just only clips. I wish I could find the full fights and really see how skilled he was technically. If you know where to find any of those remastered links, I would be much obliged. I just feel like fighters on average are more skilled than they were in the 20's, 30's and 40's, but a lot less tough. That is one thing those guys had going for them.

Why is it newspaper accounts of the day, not nostalgia, describe him as a fast, slashing fighter fighter who had excellent lateral movement and got in and out in a flash while throwing his punches? That is a far cry from what you've described my friend. Ray Arcel trained Benny Leonard for his comeback and also trained Duran for much of his career. Duran was like a son to him yet he declined to pick which of the two was the greater fighter. If we can't go on the word of an expert like Arcel we're not being very objective.

[JAB5239]

I think track and field is a clear illustration of slow but steady improvements in athletes abilities.

Improvements in ability, or equipment and conditions? Evolution takes million of years, science doesn't.

[check hook]

I often hear this said. I don't personally, do you?

yes..and NO.....people in boxing often wax lyrical too much about "the good old days" when there is plenty of talent in the modern era.....


From the 90's (at 60 and 68 mostly):

- Gerald McLellan
- RJJ
- James Toney
- Hopkins
- Julian Jackson
- Mike McCallum
- Terrbile terry Norris
- Michael Nunn
- Eubank
- Benn


^^

All these guys above could hang with any fighters at 160 and 68 past and present....in fact more than hang....alot of the guys on the list would ***** slap some of the fighters from the past........


Tyson in the 80's would do better than fine against most HW's throughout history.....same for Lennox in the 90's.

FMJ can compete with any fighter from 130-147 because of his skill set. SSM would be a handful for all the old skool fighters who came to fight and liked to brawl. Winky Wright at 154 in prime is a handful for any fighter around that weight.....


and there are plenty more......

[Hi-Dro]

hundreds of years from now lil *****s will be gloating about the "great" mayweather and how he could beat anyone ranging from hagler to hearns, but not pacquiao


hundreds of years from now lil *******s will call pac atg number 1 because he was the only man to beat floyd

(yes pac will beat floyd)

[jrosales13]

Why is it newspaper accounts of the day, not nostalgia, describe him as a fast, slashing fighter fighter who had excellent lateral movement and got in and out in a flash while throwing his punches? That is a far cry from what you've described my friend. Ray Arcel trained Benny Leonard for his comeback and also trained Duran for much of his career. Duran was like a son to him yet he declined to pick which of the two was the greater fighter. If we can't go on the word of an expert like Arcel we're not being very objective.

Great post...