Rebuttal thread

[JAB5239]

how many fighters has roach trained that have tested positive for steroids?

help me fill in the list we got 10 so far

1. James toney
2. Michael moorer
3. Holyfield
4. Ortiz
5. Liddell
6. salido
7 Rourke
8. Stallone
9. Rijker
10. Kirill Sidelnikov
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Since I was put on ignore in a cowardly fashion in the previous thread I figured I start my own.

Same questions. Who from this list actually tested positive to make anybody think that Roach should be made out to look like the bad guy as the post above suggests. We know Stallone and Rourke are actors, scratch them from the list. We know Salido passed av drug test by a private lab (just like Floyd wants) when he failed the NSAC test, which Floyd and his fans call unreliable to begin with. Sorry fellla's, can't have it both ways. Scratch Salida. We know Holy has never tested positive though I do think he probably used PED's myself. That said...no proof, he shouldn't be tied to Freddie to make him look bad. Rijker?...I don't know. Moorer?...if so I never heard about it. Anyone got anything on Moorer? Liddell is MMA and I never heard he failed a test either. Anybody? That leaves Ortiz and Toney. Sorry never heard of the last guy. That is not a good thing, but considering how many people Roach trains....can we really use this against Roach?

[Seleção No. 13]

And how many of them have trained with Ariza, supposedly the only guy who knows "what Manny is on." (Though you'd also have to ask Teri Tom)

[loui_ludwig]

Was Holyfield with Roach during the Evans Field case?

If Roach train Liddel, then its only for stand up. Liddell has his own trainer/team in MMA.

[The Hate Giver]

how many fighters has roach trained that have tested positive for steroids?

help me fill in the list we got 10 so far

1. James toney
2. Michael moorer
3. Holyfield
4. Ortiz
5. Liddell
6. salido
7 Rourke
8. Stallone
9. Rijker
10. Kirill Sidelnikov
__________________

Since I was put on ignore in a cowardly fashion in the previous thread I figured I start my own.

Same questions. Who from this list actually tested positive to make anybody think that Roach should be made out to look like the bad guy as the post above suggests. We know Stallone and Rourke are actors, scratch them from the list. We know Salido passed av drug test by a private lab (just like Floyd wants) when he failed the NSAC test, which Floyd and his fans call unreliable to begin with. Sorry fellla's, can't have it both ways. Scratch Salida. We know Holy has never tested positive though I do think he probably used PED's myself. That said...no proof, he shouldn't be tied to Freddie to make him look bad. Rijker?...I don't know. Moorer?...if so I never heard about it. Anyone got anything on Moorer? Liddell is MMA and I never heard he failed a test either. Anybody? That leaves Ortiz and Toney. Sorry never heard of the last guy. That is not a good thing, but considering how many people Roach trains....can we really use this against Roach?

i dont even believe that jab. I think they are using the guilty by association logic here. I doubt that roach was training all those guys when they were using steroids.

[Seleção No. 13]

Holy ****, Frank Stallone (stallone's brother) is associated with Adam Carolla because he was a guest on his podcast. SUSPECT RACIST AGAINST FILIPINOS.

[JAB5239]

And how many of them have trained with Ariza, supposedly the only guy who knows "what Manny is on." (Though you'd also have to ask Teri Tom)

Jokers can make all the assumptions they want. That doesn't bother me. But when they try and tie it all to Roach like he has some big conspiracy going and they can't supply proof or hard facts...I take exception to that.

[JAB5239]

i dont even believe that jab. I think they are using the guilty by association logic here. I doubt that roach was training all those guys when they were using steroids.

I doubt he was either. But what more, they can't prove most of these people were using steroids, at least thus far. All Im asking for is proof before they start trying to make it look like Roach was "in on something all along."

[Seleção No. 13]

jokers can make all the assumptions they want. That doesn't bother me. But when they try and tie it all to roach like he has some big conspiracy going and they can't supply proof or hard facts...i take exception to that.

Look at you google searchers claiming that no one can supply proof or hard facts.

Pacquiao is the biggest suspect of steroids right now and no one has yet to bring anything up for the last four months. Lol.

These other guys were caught without anyone accusing them.

[JAB5239]

Holy ****, Frank Stallone (stallone's brother) is associated with Adam Carolla because he was a guest on his podcast. SUSPECT RACIST AGAINST FILIPINOS.

Lmao!!

[The Hate Giver]

Jokers can make all the assumptions they want. That doesn't bother me. But when they try and tie it all to Roach like he has some big conspiracy going and they can't supply proof or hard facts...I take exception to that.

what's happening is the same thing the **********s tried to do to barack ***** & jeremiah wright & ayers.

Like i said before, i doubt any of those fighters were on the juice WHILE roach was training them.

What is happening now is the propaganda machinations of the *****s working overtime to paint & roach as some steroid trainer.