Comments Thread For: Roy and Floyd: Playing Favorites Cheats Best of The Best

[Konstantin]

How is Corrales an elite fighter and Castillo not?

[bobbyb363]

I had no idea when first reading this that his agenda was really not about defending Roy at all but it really was all about Mayweather. Shane is a wannabe? really!
This guy is crazy to call OScar an elite fighter when he fought Floyd. Oscar was an exibition fighter/singer/promoter. If he had beaten Oscar ten years ago maybe. Hatton - elite..please. His claim to fame is beating Tzyu who never fought again so chances are his heart was long gone from the fight game before Hatton. Hatton "REALLY" lost to Collazo. Marquez - yea elite at what 130/135 come on man. That's like saying Oscar going up to fight Roy in his prime - He would have gotten stopped, something Floyd could not do to Marquez.
Look - Floyd is real good and a great boxer but all his big fights came against flawed oposition (Note: They signed the paper so not his fault but...)
Chico - Weight drained, Marquez..no explanation needed, Oscar.. 10 years past his prime, Hatton - good but not great at all (He beat Tzyu but that's like calling Tarver/Johnson great because they beat Roy), Gatti - He's like your favorite car that had to be rebuilt 8 times...now Shane at what 38. Now I give him credit for fighting Shane because I believe this will be his biggest, toughest fight.
What gets me is that he talks about being the cash cow but unfortuantely he needs some one to milk him. If not Shane who else is he going to fight for a big check. Shane and Pac are the biggest paychecks for him so what is he saying. If they don't fight Floyd, he will just be a cash cow constipated full of cash but can't get it out.
Floyd needs them just as much. Maybe Floyd just came around at the wrong time when all the top comp. are either just long in the tooth (Oscar,Shane), smaller (Marquez), good fighter (Hatton), or just damaged goods (Gotti, Cotto)
Maybe the stars are against him.

[bobbyb363]

¿How does he have Hatton on the elite group & Judah on the almost elite?..I think it should be the other way around...

Correct, Judah would have KO'd Hatton!

[Lorily]

While I can see that it appears anyone who disagrees with Lyles perspective will be labeled as a "hater" or "*******", the problem I have with his article is that it is laced with subtle manipulations and filled with blatant hypocracy. Comments such as "Mosley has won a perfectly respectable 17 of 22 ..." was followed up by a contradictory "But, truth told... no better than ordinary by any measure." And then to further discredit Moselys accomplishments by adding "...in which his May 1st challenger is 23-23", to justify his own opinion, only makes him sound less credible IMO. Lyle is doing the very thing he criticizes others of doing to Mayweather, what irony.
PED-admitting wannabe..." and "If there is any justice at welterweight, the people won't get what they want".... comments such as these by Lyle only further solidify his contradictions by sounding like the very thing that he faults the "Pothetic and loser". THAT, my friend, is hypocracy at its finest.

[bobbyb363]

Hahaha.... what this journalist is saying is spot on - Floyd doesn't get the recognition he deserves from most boxing fans, and to a lesser extent, neither did Roy at his peak (his career 2004 onwards seems like it unfortunately taken a lot away from his legacy though). I think the main reason the majority of fans will be rooting for Shane though, is actually nothing to do with Mayweathers resume. It's the fact that he comes across most of the time as a bit of a ****, while Shane seems like a down to earth nice guy (which he seems to play on to his advantage a bit, but he does seem like a genuine dude). I'm a massive Mayweather fan, but he doesn't do himself any favours a lot of the time with his bad attitude. I'm all for some bravado and trash talking, its part of boxing, but people like Ali did it a lot more tongue in cheek. Naseem Hamed (who knew how to trash talk with a glint in his eye) was talking about Mayweather in an interview on british TV a couple of years ago, and what he said was spot on - Floyd could be one of the greatest of all time, but he turns people away from him with his attitude - he could have a lot more fans than he does.

What is actually worse than Floyd are "some" of his crazy fans. They got all upset when Shane, working for Golden Boy was in the ring and was "waived over by Floyd", so called crashed his interview. I was a big Roy Jones fan... I would have been screaming for Roy to fight this guy to put the "What's happening all over him", but Floyd fans were screaming "Rude and disrepectful" and Shane doesn't deserve to fight Floyd. It is almost like they are afraid of Floyd losing his "0" just as much as Floyd. I would have been screaming "Roy kick his Azz" but Mayweather fans are screaming "we don't need Shane, let him ride the bench".
As a Floyd fan, are you satisfied with coasting rather than shutting everyone up?
It would take great satisfaction at the time in Roy lining them up and knocking them down.
I guess I was just a different kind of fan.

[bobbyb363]

By Lyle Fitzsimmons - Call it the “Curse of Junior.”

Though in-ring accomplishments warrant a far higher dialogue, few boxers of this generation are more polarizing than the famous fighting sons of Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather.

And try as I might, neither the journalist nor fan in me understands why.

Of course, I’ve long accepted that exchanges on message boards, etc. will be dominated by the “Roy sux” and “call him Gayweather” crowd, predictably chiming in from the corner of Pathetic and Loser.

But I’m always a mite disappointed when the illogical naysaying carries over – admittedly in more articulate forms – to my good friends and colleagues in the traditional and online media.

My only sensible thesis is based on likeability, or in this case a lack thereof.

Because by numbers alone, denying their preeminence looks pretty ridiculous.

Love him or loathe, Jones was inarguably virtuoso in his prime – sequentially conquering four weight classes while besting Hall of Famers (Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Hill), a credible second tier (Tate, Griffin, Johnson, Ruiz) and the requisite less-heralded filler without hiccup from 1993-2003.

It’s a victims list few of his era can match name for name, and one fewer still could navigate in the one-sided fashion the gifted Pensacolan managed prior to an eyes-closed Antonio Tarver left hook that suddenly ended the run at Mandalay Bay in 2004. [Click Here To Read More]

"If there is any justice at welterweight, the people won't get what they want"

You must be part of the system because we "haven't" been getting what we want for a long, loooong time!

[megas30]

Only dumb people think floyds win over JMM is a legitimate win. To fight a guy who is two weight classes under you is pathetic. If it was Mosley who called him up everyone would be bashing him. WAIT I just got word that number 9 ranked Chad Dawson is calling out number 7 ranked Cotto. Its okay because he is ranked hire than him in the P4P list. LMAO

Its Marquez who called out Floyd, and if u have been following boxing for a while it's usually a natural progression when boxers move up in weight to take on more challenges or if they are struggling to make weight.

Its funny how ppl are now discrediting Floyd's win over Marquez saying he was fat and slow. Marquez, at any weight, will never be as fast or quick as Mayweather. Those of u who saw the 24/7, have seen and heard Marquez said he was training for the fight of his life...he has trained harder than ever before; he said he's faster and stronger than ever before. We heard his trainer said that Marquez has to be the fastest he's been in his life( which means faster than when he fought Pac) . We saw them using time clock to check his speed and confirmed that they're where they want to be. We saw him drank Squail eggs and his own urine, so give Mayweather a break, against him, Marquez just reached his level of incompetence. He (Marquez) was and is a great fighter, but just not Mayweather great.

These *******s need to admit that they fear for Manny to be in the ring with Mayweather, because they will have to find another medium to vent their personal insecurities and won't be able to live vicariously through Manny. They will no longer be able to use up boxing forum time and space to do it, because they will have nothing to talk about. There will be no Manny to hype, and will look ridiculous trying to bash Floyd if he's the victor.

[edgarg]

how does the victory over Marquez count as an elite win, Juan jumped up two weight classes and was a small lightweight as is..... albeit was a sharp performance for someone who'd been out of the ring for so long

One could say the same about the Corrales win, which was even more egregious, in that Corrales was so skeletonized and weight drained that he couldn't even put up a modicum of resistance. At the weigh in he could hardly stand. And he needed the money to pay his legal fees, plus, was going straight to jail after fight. People eith don't seem to know, or seem to forget, including the article writer.

And it took Mayweather 10 rounds to stop a physical and emotional cripple.........

[-EX-]

One could say the same about the Corrales win, which was even more egregious, in that Corrales was so skeletonized and weight drained that he couldn't even put up a modicum of resistance. At the weigh in he could hardly stand. And he needed the money to pay his legal fees, plus, was going straight to jail after fight. People eith don't seem to know, or seem to forget, including the article writer.

Then he shouldn't have got his ass in the ring...every fighter can find excuses for a loss...

[bobbyb363]

Then he shouldn't have got his ass in the ring...every fighter can find excuses for a loss...

Exactly why Floyd did not make weight with JMM. He did not want to get the Corrales treatment. Don't go crazy I meant that as a joke but he did not want to find himself in deep waters in the least bit because of weight. Cotto fell for the same thing with PAC with the catch weight and look what happened. Look what happened to Roy when he lost all that weight...never the same.
There is a choice not to get in the ring if you are not fully 100% but pressure is a mutha and Corrales had a lot pressure. The Brown Bomber continued to fight when he did not want to but the government pretty much forced him and the IRS collected money before he could even put his clothes on. He fought for FREE.
Basically Corrales should not have agreed to the terms if he thought it would be a problem making weight.
2 big of a fight, 2 good of an opponent 2 not be 100%.