lol @ Mayweather trashing Pacquiao on 24/7

[flexxx145]

Also when was the having the belt ever a bargaining chip?? It certainly didn't help Frazier against Ali. I'ts about who brings the money and always has been chump. Mayweather doesn't even want Manny's belt or Shanes for that matter.

Belts don't mean as much anymore unfortunately because there are too many of them.

[myCoCainE]

Again, I can't argue with floyd fans and pac fans because you all give out valid points in your arguments. But I have yet to read anything about floyd fans agreeing to one other valid point as to why the olympic type of testing was suggested by Floyd, which is because he's afraid of Pacquiao being so good that he might be on something.

I'm not saying that this is my opinion, but you can't argue that this is one valid point. I know you all have your opinions, but could you just say that Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao is one good and reasonable VALID point as the root of all this random blood testing debate?

[check hook]

Again, I can't argue with floyd fans and pac fans because you all give out valid points in your arguments. But I have yet to read anything about floyd fans agreeing to one other valid point as to why the olympic type of testing was suggested by Floyd, which is because he's afraid of Pacquiao being so good that he might be on something.

I'm not saying that this is my opinion, but you can't argue that this is one valid point. I know you all have your opinions, but could you just say that Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao is one good and reasonable VALID point as the root of all this random blood testing debate?

Let's assume he is afraid.........can any Pac fan or any other poster give me a single convincing or even semi-convinving reason why Pac refused.??...especially with a generous 14 day cut-off.....and no his feelings having been hurt is not is not legitimate......and neither is "Floyd is not the commission"

[o0P4PBOXING0o]

Again, I can't argue with floyd fans and pac fans because you all give out valid points in your arguments. But I have yet to read anything about floyd fans agreeing to one other valid point as to why the olympic type of testing was suggested by Floyd, which is because he's afraid of Pacquiao being so good that he might be on something.

I'm not saying that this is my opinion, but you can't argue that this is one valid point. I know you all have your opinions, but could you just say that Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao is one good and reasonable VALID point as the root of all this random blood testing debate?

I dont know why you would think Mayweather is "afraid" of Pacquiao but that's up to you. It's not like Mayweather said, "I'll fight you but you have to do random drug testing and I don't"

The testing is for both fighters and Mayweather is doing it for the Mosley fight aswell and will do it after Mosley aswell. So it's not like Mayweather asked for Pacquiao to do the test and now he's not asking Mosley to do it. Mayweather wanted random drug testing for all of his fights from now on, Not just Pacquiao. So the argument that Mayweather is afraid because he asked Pacquiao to do testing is flawed because he has asked Mosley to do it too.

[myCoCainE]

Let's assume he is afraid.........can any Pac fan or any other poster give me a single convincing or even semi-convinving reason why Pac refused.??...especially with a generous 14 day cut-off.....and no his feelings having been hurt is not is not legitimate......and neither is "Floyd is not the commission"

Your reason that Pac is on the juice because of his refusal is perfectly understandable, as well as the "the other reasons by the other camp and as you said, Floyd is not the commission" may also be valid depending on what side of the spectrum your standing. There is no Yes or No to this, only Left or Right. Either way is a good answer depending on where you're going.

[Slick_Rick]

Mayweather wants to bring in something that he feels is right, Even if you dislike Mayweather. Honestly how can you say Mayweather wanting random testing is a bad thing? You can't. Even if Mayweather bringing it in isnt ideal, Why is Pacquiao refusing to do it? Even if he doesnt like it, He would be getting the most money he has ever earned, The biggest fight of his career and he would be considered one of the all time greats if he won. So why would he refuse it?

I've seen their's a guy with Roach on the avatar blasting Mayweather, Maybe you should know that Roach actually agreed to random testing even saying "Whatever Mayweather wants, Whatever you want". I'll even give you the link for the video if you want. And now Roach has totally backtracked saying "We will do what the commission wants not what Mayweather wants".

He completely contradicted himself and you have to ask why he would do that, With Roach being the closest guy to Pacquiao in training. He must know if Pacquiao could get through the test and he's obviously decided that he wouldnt pass it. And if anyone does fail these tests then the fight gets cancelled immediately. So it obviously makes more sense for Pacquiao's team to just refuse the fight then take the test and fail it.

So they all backtracked and blamed Floyd Mayweather. Shamefull

What!? did you even read my post, I never said random testing is a bad thing.
The commission is the one that imposes the rules and thats what fighters should comply by. The way Floyd should have gone about it is writing to the commission to look into changing their rules on drugs and getting a pool of fighters to backing it, if he did that he would have got BIG respect, and seen as a pioneer for the sport, but sadly he decided to accuse the recognised best fighter in the world that he is on durgs unless he takes additional tests.

As for Pac refusing $30m or whatever he would get for a teaspoon of blood as people keep on saying, maybe money is not as important too him, they are completely contrasting characters, Mannys probably loaded as it is, he could go the Floyd route and quit Bob Arum and receive 100% of his money but he doesn't.

As I understand it they agreed testing to a certain cut of point, so they did infact agree to testing, but couldn't agree to the time scale. As for Roach contradicting himself that maybe true, I dont know, but Floyd is the biggest of being guilty of that crime himself. From the top of my head he regularly ****s on about "hes the only person to win the WBC belt in 5 weights" yets he also says "belts collect dust".

Oh and lets get its straight, i am no "*****" or "*******" or whatever you want to call it, I had never even heard the term before joining this site. I respect both fighters for their ability and like watching them fight but at the end of the day I don't give a **** about either.

[Tamis!]

What!? did you even read my post, I never said random testing is a bad thing.
The commission is the one that imposes the rules and thats what fighters should comply by. The way Floyd should have gone about it is writing to the commission to look into changing their rules on drugs and getting a pool of fighters to backing it, if he did that he would have got BIG respect, and seen as a pioneer for the sport, but sadly he decided to accuse the recognised best fighter in the world that he is on durgs unless he takes additional tests.

As for Pac refusing $30m or whatever he would get for a teaspoon of blood as people keep on saying, maybe money is not as important too him, they are completely contrasting characters, Mannys probably loaded as it is, he could go the Floyd route and quit Bob Arum and receive 100% of his money but he doesn't.

As I understand it they agreed testing to a certain cut of point, so they did infact agree to testing, but couldn't agree to the time scale. As for Roach contradicting himself that maybe true, I dont know, but Floyd is the biggest of being guilty of that crime himself. From the top of my head he regularly ****s on about "hes the only person to win the WBC belt in 5 weights" yets he also says "belts collect dust".

Oh and lets get its straight, i am no "*****" or "*******" or whatever you want to call it, I had never even heard the term before joining this site. I respect both fighters for their ability and like watching them fight but at the end of the day I don't give a **** about either.

Good call mate! Something people tend to forget and outright saying the test was refused when it's not.

Roach and Arum's mouths are the ones attributed to the faults thrown at Pacquiao, and that we have to live with, really unfortunate that Pac's not the one saying all o these, and IF HE DOES he gets misquoted for the poor english overall, then says things he don't mean at all coz he can't comprehend it in english, and his team's big mouth's not helping at all with regards to all their inconsistencies.

[o0P4PBOXING0o]

What!? did you even read my post, I never said random testing is a bad thing.
The commission is the one that imposes the rules and thats what fighters should comply by. The way Floyd should have gone about it is writing to the commission to look into changing their rules on drugs and getting a pool of fighters to backing it, if he did that he would have got BIG respect, and seen as a pioneer for the sport, but sadly he decided to accuse the recognised best fighter in the world that he is on durgs unless he takes additional tests.

As for Pac refusing $30m or whatever he would get for a teaspoon of blood as people keep on saying, maybe money is not as important too him, they are completely contrasting characters, Mannys probably loaded as it is, he could go the Floyd route and quit Bob Arum and receive 100% of his money but he doesn't.

As I understand it they agreed testing to a certain cut of point, so they did infact agree to testing, but couldn't agree to the time scale. As for Roach contradicting himself that maybe true, I dont know, but Floyd is the biggest of being guilty of that crime himself. From the top of my head he regularly ****s on about "hes the only person to win the WBC belt in 5 weights" yets he also says "belts collect dust".

Oh and lets get its straight, i am no "*****" or "*******" or whatever you want to call it, I had never even heard the term before joining this site. I respect both fighters for their ability and like watching them fight but at the end of the day I don't give a **** about either.

I'm no lover or hater of either fighter. I take your point about Mayweather and there are rules in place but Mayweather offered Olympic Style drug testing and Pacquiao refused. Mayweather never directly accused Pacquiao of anything, As I already pointed out Pacquiao asked for a stipulation in the contract meaning that he would receive millions of dollars for every lb Mayweather is over the 147lb limit, Mayweather agreed to this but Pacquiao did not agree to random testing. Check everything, You won't find Mayweather accusing Pacquiao of anything but when a guy gets offered random testing along with the biggest fight of all time and turns it down you have to realise that this will plant fields of doubt into peoples mind. If Pacquiao really is clean and he has nothing to hide then I have no idea he refused the test but we won't know until he decides to prove it one way or another.

You say the money might not be important to Pacquiao but really if it's not a question of money then its a question of Pacquiao himself and the people around him. Does Bob Arum want his prized asset to make $70 million for Floyd Mayweather? Does Pacquiao really want to fight Mayweather? Why does Pacquiao claim he is afraid of needles and then gets his blood taken before the Clottey fight? These are all serious questions that will be answered sooner or later.

The key thing about the testing Mayweather wanted is that it was random testing he wanted, So a cut-off point would not have existed. You have to ask yourself if Pacquiao really is clean then he has nothing to hide why would he even care about a cut-off point? He wouldnt, He would just say "Whatever, Let's just make the fight happen".


I'm not looking to start arguments or controversey with anyone on here. I just want someone to try and explain this to me. But im not sure anyone can...

[MakeDamnSure]

*****S keep getting banned and banned.. SOme here are on their 23rd account and they still haven't understand what kind of psoter they are.

[myCoCainE]

I dont know why you would think Mayweather is "afraid" of Pacquiao but that's up to you. It's not like Mayweather said, "I'll fight you but you have to do random drug testing and I don't"

The testing is for both fighters and Mayweather is doing it for the Mosley fight aswell and will do it after Mosley aswell. So it's not like Mayweather asked for Pacquiao to do the test and now he's not asking Mosley to do it. Mayweather wanted random drug testing for all of his fights from now on, Not just Pacquiao. So the argument that Mayweather is afraid because he asked Pacquiao to do testing is flawed because he has asked Mosley to do it too.

I didn't say that Mayweather is definitely afraid of Pacquiao. What I am saying is "Mayweather asked for random blood testing because he is afraid that Pacquiao is so good that he may be on something" is one good and VALID reason. If you can't see that as one, then you are just a plain nuthugger. At least Check Hook is willing to assume, but you just can't accept that Mayweather's fear may be the root of all this. Let me say that again "May" be the root of all this.

I'm not saying though that Pacquiao is not suspect in not agreeing on the cut off date of the extra testing. That is also one valid opinion.

Again, I'll ask and I just need to hear the answer. Is Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao a valid reason why he brought up random blood testing.