Why do people think a slick boxer will beat Pacquiao?

[Pacquiao'd]

"i got my money on mayweather"

[Danny Gunz]

Yes because when Floyd gets hits hard he runs.


What Floyd fight have you watched where hes done that?

I think you are mistaking him for the damaged Cotto Pac fought.

Well when floyd gets hits hard he doesnt run but he usually gets in a great defensive shell to regain his composure. Which isnt a knock on him at all because after being stunned thats exactly what you should do, i never understood why people criticize fighters for getting in a shell or running after getting stunned.

But that is one thing i have always been really impressed with floyd he can regain his composure faster then any other boxer.

[Khalid X]

1. And he's avoided counter punchers and slick fighters, so...

2. He also avoided Juan Guzman... and he also could have fought Zahir Raheem after Raheem gave the man that beat down Pac a boxing lesson.

Honestly if he would have fought Raheem...you would be b1tching about him not avenging his loss and saying he ducked Morales..

Your excuse for Pac ducking Guzman was that Guzman had a tough outting with Funeka, as if Pacs never been beaten or had a tough fight. Hence the reason I threw Pacs record out there.

Perhaps now that'd be the case, but in 06? Not a chance. We don't know what would have happened, because Pac avoided the fight.

No. I'm saying that Guzman has been exposed. People were only gassed up cuz he beat Soto, but when he faced another top fighter he got d1cked down...no ****

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After watching Funeka vs Guzman 1 do you honestly believe that guy stands a chance against Manny? I mean lets be serious for a minute




i'm talking about when they were both in the same division....not right now......

Well the whole point is "slick" style beating Manny, and unless I'm total wrong, Guzman fights the same now as he did back then. With that said...only a complete dumb@sss would think Guzman beat Manny right now, due to his slick style

To answer your question though...How the hell do you duck Guzman by facing Marquez instead. Guzman didn't become anybody till he beat Soto. So are you saying Guzman >> Marquez at 130? Seriously some times I wonder about posters like you.

Roach is trying to avoid Floyd and to a lesser extent Shane.....they now how to set traps and counter.......Floyd with str8 rights and str8 right leads....and Shane with chopping and overhand rights. Shane is bigger and stronger than floyd and has a longer reach......make no mistake if Pac fights Shane or Floyd he will get hit and hit often

You will be the first poster to complain if the Floyd vs Manny negotiations fall apart and somehow either later this year or next, Manny fights Shane instead.

If Pac fights Shane or Floyd, he'll get that ass beat.

So you won't have any problems if Pac fights Shane. Also...does this mean I wont hear any SHane is shot or Shane is old excuses from you either?

No it isn't. Pac hasn't shown any improvement since he lost to JMM in 08, because he hasn't fought a fighter with the same, or a similar style since that time. Same being a counter punching style.

I'm still trying to figure out who these "skilled" fighters are?

If he hasn't improved then he is basically a blown up LW beating handpicked opponents. If that's the case, then why do you want Floyd to fight him. Isn't that cherry picking in itself?

What improvements? Please point them out, because he HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE LIKE JMM; OR ANYONE WITH A COUNTERPUNCHING STYLE SINCE 08.

No, I put it on Cotto and Hatton being ruined goods, and Clottey being tailor made for Pacs style. The same things Pacs trainer put it on.

Again, explain to me why you want to see Floyd vs Manny again?

Yes because when Floyd gets hits hard he runs.


What Floyd fight have you watched where hes done that?

I think you are mistaking him for the damaged Cotto Pac fought.

Please. When the Floyd vs Pac negotiations fall apart and if Floyd faces Cotto, you will be the first to get hyped over the fight. Hell if Williams vs Cotto happened you would get hyped up to.....Yet Cotto is damaged goods in your eyes?

[Khalid X]

Come on dude, your saying an already exposed Hatton and beat down Cotto were better opponents than Bradley and Mosley?

If so that's your opinion. I picked Pacman to destroy both those guys easily before the fights because I knew they were damaged goods. Anybody who is more than a casual fan knew both those guys were coming back to soon against a speedy brawler. I'm not overly awed at all by those wins. Let's see who Pac fights next though his career is far from over. If it's Margacheato I'm skipping that one. I wasted enough time on the Clottey fight.

WHo won between Cotto and Mosley?

Also what had bradley done at that point to convience anyone that he was better than Hatton? Beating Junior Witter?

[flexxx145]

Well when floyd hits hard he doesnt run but he usually gets in a great defensive shell to regain his composure. Which isnt a knock on him at all because after being stunned thats exactly what you should do, i never understood why people criticize fighters for getting in a shell or running after getting stunned.

But that is one thing i have always been really impressed with floyd he can regain his composure faster then any other boxer.

No they expect you to rush forward and get spectacularly KO'd. WTF is wrong with these dumb people?

[flexxx145]

WHo won between Cotto and Mosley?

Also what had bradley done at that point to convience anyone that he was better than Hatton? Beating Junior Witter?

We have two different Opinions and that's cool. Personally I never thought Hatton was a good fighter in the first place. He punches too wild, so I always thought that elites would beat him. Cotto I don't think was the same after Cheato and will ever be the same after adding Pac's damage to that.

Question though, why do pac fans say that Hatto fighting PBF at 147 was unfair when Hatton walks around at 180lbs when he's not training? He even calls himself "Ricky Fatton".

If PBF beats Mosley look for Pacman to refuse the OST again. Then I think a PBF vs Berto or PBF vs SSM 2 will happen. MP vs Cheatto will be a go.

[The Gambler1981]

Because Manny thrives on battle, the way to defeat an opponent that thrives on combat (other than being straight up better at it) is to not oblige them in combat only engaging when it is to your advantage. Just looking at how certain fights went down when guys were not engaging Manny he appeared to get frusterated, but against the guys he was facing it didn't really matter because Manny was above them with the exception of JMM and JMM is a good boxer but he is not exactly slick he is an offensive boxer who wants to get off while limiting the other guy but he will eat some leather to get his aslong as he is not going to eat more than the other guy.

A truly slick fighter that thrives on frusterating the other guy is the worst matchup for Manny, they would need to be excellent at that to win but anyone who fights that way to me is someone who will give Manny issues.

[Khalid X]

We have two different Opinions and that's cool. Personally I never thought Hatton was a good fighter in the first place. He punches too wild, so I always thought that elites would beat him. Cotto I don't think was the same after Cheato and will ever be the same after adding Pac's damage to that.

Question though, why do pac fans say that Hatto fighting PBF at 147 was unfair when Hatton walks around at 180lbs when he's not training? He even calls himself "Ricky Fatton".

If PBF beats Mosley look for Pacman to refuse the OST again. Then I think a PBF vs Berto or PBF vs SSM 2 will happen. MP vs Cheatto will be a go.

Well I guess we can agree to disagree. I can't speak for other Pac fans, but I give Floyd full credit for beating him and taking his "0". Also I agree that we will see PBF vs SSM 2 and MP vs Margarito next.

I know people wil flame MP vs Margarito but that fight is the same as Floyd vs Shane. Both Shane and Tony cheating yet one matchup is praised as the greatest thing since slice bread and the other is labeled as a disgraced to boxing. I just dont get that because IMO as far as which is worse.........Admitting to cheating>>>>>>trying to cheat, and I love Shane to death...just pointing out the hypocrasy in boxing.

[flexxx145]

Well I guess we can agree to disagree. I can't speak for other Pac fans, but I give Floyd full credit for beating him and taking his "0". Also I agree that we will see PBF vs SSM 2 and MP vs Margarito next.

I know people wil flame MP vs Margarito but that fight is the same as Floyd vs Shane. Both Shane and Tony cheating yet one matchup is praised as the greatest thing since slice bread and the other is labeled as a disgraced to boxing. I just dont get that because IMO as far as which is worse.........Admitting to cheating>>>>>>trying to cheat, and I love Shane to death...just pointing out the hypocrasy in boxing.

I can't speak for anybody else but to me the differece should be clear.

SSM apologized and acknowledged his wrong doing like a man. Plus he's willing to take the OST and prove that he's clean now.

Cheatto is hated still because he refuses to man up and apologize. Plus making lame excuses like he didn't know. It's disgusting and pathetic. Take some responsibility as a man and just admit it.

[Pacquiao'd]

Well I guess we can agree to disagree. I can't speak for other Pac fans, but I give Floyd full credit for beating him and taking his "0". Also I agree that we will see PBF vs SSM 2 and MP vs Margarito next.

I know people wil flame MP vs Margarito but that fight is the same as Floyd vs Shane. Both Shane and Tony cheating yet one matchup is praised as the greatest thing since slice bread and the other is labeled as a disgraced to boxing. I just dont get that because IMO as far as which is worse.........Admitting to cheating>>>>>>trying to cheat, and I love Shane to death...just pointing out the hypocrasy in boxing.

iti s not the same. Marg is coming of a devastating loss. confidence is gone, chin cracked and all.

so its not the same my man and dont try and act as if it is.

MP-Marg is garabage. if pac doesnt fight floyd next, the media is going to have a field day with MP and they wont holdback