Why do people think a slick boxer will beat Pacquiao?

[Hannibal Barca]

Roach is trying to avoid Floyd and to a lesser extent Shane.....they now how to set traps and counter.......Floyd with str8 rights and str8 right leads....and Shane with chopping and overhand rights. Shane is bigger and stronger than floyd and has a longer reach......make no mistake if Pac fights Shane or Floyd he will get hit and hit often

If Pac fights Shane or Floyd, he'll get that ass beat.

[check hook]

Well I disagree. I think Pac has plenty of answers, if anybody simply thinks that it's, "another Floyd by dominant, no question about it", you got another thing coming.

Pacquiao moves his head side-to-side constantly, and will expoit every opportunity he gets against the ropes. As already said, Floyd better be at his best absolute best, ready to move around the ring non-stop, something he hasn't had to do against JMM.

Pac-Floyd could be another Floyd-Delahoya-type fight where Oscar stole some of the early rounds, throwing flurries while Floyd is up against the ropes. Except he won't let up down the stretch.

Pacs answer is looping lefts and right hooks and the occassional left down the pipe.....the issue though is that floyd does better against shorter fighters than taller ones.......why? He controls the distance. Manny will be lunging in to land because of the distance Floyd will create.....when he lunges in floyd will step back and counter....the same way JMM was able to.......

[cupocity303]

What did he neutralize vs. JMM in 2008?

Exactly my point.

If you havent noticed Floyd takes away his opponents best assets.

Listen, lets be honest.

Bringing up the past from 2008 is like people bringing up Floyd's fight vs Castillo.

It's way in the past, Pac has since proven his mettal against bigger and skilled opponent that most thought he couldn't handle years ago. If that's your style of attack to debate this fight, you're doing a poor job.

[Danny Gunz]

And whats the comparism between Funeka and Pacquiao?

Its not the comparison between funeka and pacquiao its the comparison that pacquiao and guzman are on the same level.

I get the whole "well guzman has this style to disrupt pacman" argument but we need to be honest in boxing there is a hierarchy there are the manny pacquiaos and mayweathers at the top and the guzmans way below.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Listen, lets be honest.

Bring up the past from 2008 is like people bringing up Floyd's fight vs Castillo.

It's way in the past, Pac has since proven his mettal against bigger and skilled opponent that most though he couldn't handle years ago. If that's your style of attack to debate this fight, you're doing a poor job.

That fight was in 2008 Floyd fought Castillo almost a decade ago. Not to mention he had a torn rotator cuff and a messed up hand.

What opponent did he face thats more skilled then JMM? This is news to me.

Them being bigger is great. Fact is none of them have the style that JMM does to give Pac problems. So until he fights a guy that wont just come right at him then I dont know if hes improved or if he is just fighting tailor made fighters.

[Hannibal Barca]

Listen, lets be honest.

Bring up the past from 2008 is like people bringing up Floyd's fight vs Castillo.

It's way in the past, Pac has since proven his mettal against bigger and skilled opponent that most though he couldn't handle years ago. If that's your style of attack to debate this fight, you're doing a poor job.

No it isn't. Pac hasn't shown any improvement since he lost to JMM in 08, because he hasn't fought a fighter with the same, or a similar style since that time. Same being a counter punching style.

I'm still trying to figure out who these "skilled" fighters are?

[check hook]

floyd will have to fight Pac differently to the way he likes to fight southpaws and that is an advantage for Manny. floyd like to be aggressive and walk southpaws down....Judah, Corley and Mitchell....and another guy from early in his career (don't remember the name)....this means he takes some leather.

Will floyd want to walk forward against Pac??? I don't think so....he will want ot move back and side to side....moving forward means he is controlling the distancer less and less, especially because Pac is fast he will move in also and the distance is gone......

the way to beat Pac is not to engage and make him move forward and lunge.....why....?? when he lunges in he does so in a str8 line.....if you move forward or stand your ground he is bobbing his head from side to side......make him lunge in and then counter aggressively......

[Ray*]

Its not the comparison between funeka and pacquiao its the comparison that pacquiao and guzman are on the same level.

I get the whole "well guzman has this style to disrupt pacman" argument but we need to be honest in boxing there is a hierarchy there are the manny pacquiaos and mayweathers at the top and the guzmans way below.

I dont see anyone that said Guzman and Pac are on the same level, If you can find any post related to that please point me to it. People are just talking about Guzman's style.

[cupocity303]

No it isn't. Pac hasn't shown any improvement since he lost to JMM in 08, because he hasn't fought a fighter with the same, or a similar style since that time. Same being a counter punching style.

I'm still trying to figure out who these "skilled" fighters are?

Sure he has, the Pacquiao of 2007-2008 gets crushed at 147. I know some of you hardcore boxing purists refuse or just don't wanna see the improvements Pacquiao has made, but he has.

You pay enough attention to details and you can see the difference. That's why the other greats of the 130-135 days can't do what Pac is doing today at 147. JMM can't make a permanent move to 147 and outbox guys bigger than him, even though he might've faced more skilled guys in the lower divisions.

Refusing to acknowledge improvements in Pacquiao's fight game and simply pinning it on Cotto's, Hatton's, Clottey's lack of skill is ridiculous.

[pasawayako]

On the judges cards sure...

I had JMM winning the second fight. Actually alot of people did.

JMM traded too much and his knack for wanting to "fight" played into Pacs hands.

Floyd wont do that.

That's why he will lose big time, because you should be an aggressive counter puncher to have a chance against pac.