Why do people think a slick boxer will beat Pacquiao?

[ballgamessuck]

Paq really started changing and showing drastic improvement when he left 130, I know a lot of people who discredit him like to bring up the Clottey fight as supposed evidence that he hasnt changed, but that was exactly what it took to beat Clottey, so that is how he fought Clottey. If he had been in with a different fighter, he would have had a different gameplan and would have executed it. I do hope that he gives JMM a third fight this fall (Mosley and Mayweather likely to be tied up in a rematch), anywhere from 140 to 147 he slaughters JMM. Of course after that happens, his haters will claim that JMM was already softened up by Floyd. They cannot realize that Freddie Roach is reinventing the sweet science and they will never give Paq credit for anything. Most Paq fans, myself included, do not attempt to deny Floyds abilities, just dont care for his attitude and reluctance to face other top fighters. Paq does have the ability to beat Floyd, their is only one way to find out.

[Hannibal Barca]

Sure he has, the Pacquiao of 2007-2008 gets crushed at 147. I know some of you hardcore boxing purists refuse or just don't wanna see the improvements Pacquiao has made, but he has.

You pay enough attention to details and you can see the difference. That's why the other greats of the 130-135 days can't do what Pac is doing today at 147. JMM can't make a permanent move to 147 and outbox guys bigger than him, even though he might've faced more skilled guys in the lower divisions.

Refusing to acknowledge improvements in Pacquiao's fight game and simply pinning it on Cotto's, Hatton's, Clottey's lack of skill is ridiculous.

What improvements? Please point them out, because he HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE LIKE JMM; OR ANYONE WITH A COUNTERPUNCHING STYLE SINCE 08.

No, I put it on Cotto and Hatton being ruined goods, and Clottey being tailor made for Pacs style. The same things Pacs trainer put it on.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

What improvements? Please point them out, because he HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE LIKE JMM; OR ANYONE WITH A COUNTERPUNCHING SINCE 08.

No, I put it on Cotto and Hatton being ruined goods, and Clottey being tailor made for Pacs style. The same things Pacs trainer put it on.

And on that note............

Nothing more to see here. Thread over.

[cupocity303]

That's why he will lose big time, because you should be an aggressive counter puncher to have a chance against pac.

You're on to something here.

Whether it's Pacquiao or someone else, I always figured Floyd's first loss, if he sticks around long enough, will be for his continual increase of defense with less offense.

Sort of what happened to Hopkins as he got older, got more defensive, and started losing back-to-back decisions to Taylor, which are disputed BUT still.

I don't see Floyd get KO'd or destroyed but I can see him losing a decision by not being active enough, EASLY.

[Danny Gunz]

I dont see anyone that said Guzman and Pac are on the same level, If you can find any post related to that please point me to it. People are just talking about Guzman's style.

I was referring to this post where the poster was insinuating that pac ducked guzman

He struggled against a flat footed counter puccher in JMM. So many are interested to see what would happen if he fought a guy like JMM with faster feet.


for the most part he has avoided them. They didn't want any part of Joan Guzman and he directly called them out. They were the 2 top dogs in the division and Guzman wanted a fight to settle who was number 1....it didn't happen.

Also to alot of fans Pac has avoided Floyd Mayweather.


This is prob why alot of people think a slick counterpuncher will beat Pac.

[Mr. Philadel]

Cause folks think that Pac will get countered all night long, and will not land a single punch.....

At least-

That is what they hope.

Bottom line-

If your name ain't Floyd/Mosley/Williams-You ain't ****ing with Pac.

thats really real talk!!!

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You're on to something here.

Whether it's Pacquiao or someone else, I always figured Floyd's first loss, if he sticks around long enough, will be for his continual increase of defense with less offense.

Sort of what happened to Hopkins as he got older, got more defensive, and started losing back-to-back decisions to Taylor, which are disputed BUT still.

I don't see Floyd get KO'd or destroyed but I can see him losing a decision by not being active enough, EASLY.

Floyd doesnt need to throw 100 punches per round to beat people. Dont get caught up in the hype bro. Hes a master in the ring.

[cupocity303]

What improvements? Please point them out, because he HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE LIKE JMM; OR ANYONE WITH A COUNTERPUNCHING SINCE 08.

No, I put it on Cotto and Hatton being ruined goods, and Clottey being tailor made for Pacs style. The same things Pacs trainer put it on.

Well that's classic selective-putting-a-negative-spin- to- every- good victory right there.

People do that to Floyd all the time and you guys are forced to defend him. Like Delahoya was past his prime, Baldomir is a bum, Judah lost to Baldomir and has bad stamina, Sharmba was a washed up jr.welter who moved up to 147 after getting Ko'd by Tszyu, Gatti was a bum, Chop Chop Corley wobbled Floyd, Castillo beat him etc, etc,..........on and on it goes.


I don't like getting into those sort of debates anymore, because they're tiring, draining, never-ending and lower your IQ as you go along.


We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I see Pacquiao as an improved fighter and Cotto was a decent enough counter puncher OR had good timing with his punches (I.E. the counters he caught Shane Mosley with in the late rounds) and Cotto would've beaten the version of Pac that JMM fought, BUT that's not the version of Pac that he fought.

Lets leave it at that or shall we continue the circle jerk?

[cupocity303]

Floyd doesnt need to throw 100 punches per round to beat people. Dont get caught up in the hype bro. Hes a master in the ring.

I see perfectly clearly.

What I don't get caught up in, is the myth that he is more unbeatable than he really is.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I see perfectly clearly.

What I don't get caught up in, is the myth that he is more unbeatable than he really is.

I think Vernon Forrest and Paul Williams beat him. Winky too.

I dont think Pac beats him though. I think sometimes we forget just how good Floyd really is in the ring hes not to be ****ed with.