Ricky Hatton... NOW he can fight in the US

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Abdiel... I expected better from a former Rippuh. I'll have to get Jack to slap you in line.

What is this "Rippuh" lark all about?

Are they just lonely and want to be part of a group?... Or does it have more meaning?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Hatton could have fought big fights in the U.S. earlier. Sturm got robbed but was foreseable by many. He was going to fight Hopkins in a "super-fight" and Sturm didn't put up much of an effort considering the small, out-of-shape man he was fighting. In any case, yeah you are right, now he can fight in the U.S. and he says he will, and believe me I will hold him to that.

Now let me explain why most all the big timers fight in the U.S. and should, it's really quite simple and has nothing to do with arrogance or U.S.-centrism. Now Pass auf Kinder!

1) The U.S. is big. We have all nationalities fighting here, and international judges and the best trained officials, as well as just more officials in general.

2) Fighters don't get a win just because they fight in the U.S., because the U.S. does not value home-country background, it values hometown background. This means fighters who fight in the U.S. and are from U.S. don't get shady support from refs and judges just because they are from the U.S. The shadiness almost always takes place in the fighter's HOMETOWN (as in the exact city they were born in).

3) Fighters in European countries who fight only in Europe won't get many big fights because people stay away from Europe, as European countires are smaller and less of a melting-pot than the U.S. This means (and has often been seen, especially in Germany but not limited to that area) that a "hometown" decision or reffing is often seen in favor of the Euro-fighter as opposed to the "invading" fighter.

4) The U.S. is the spotlight, period. It's not all about money. Mesi makes a whole phuk of a lot of money fighting only in Buffalo, but no one would have respect for him if he didn't leave that place (which he started doing at the end of his career untl he got injured by Jirov). Hatton needs to and must leave England, no ifs ands or buts about it. If you chalk it up to "U.S.-centrism" fine, play the fool...but it's just a fact.

The U.S. stage is the biggest stage in the world. Klitschkos even left Germany to come here. Ottke never lost, and no gives a ****. Why? He never left his home. He's a puss whose hometown cooking robbed other fighters of victories over him. If Roy Jones stayed in Pensacola all his career no one would give a **** about him. What if Chavez stayed in Mexico every fight? No one would regard him highly.

Hatton was just lucky that Tszyu came to face him. Tszyu was sure he would win and was wrong. No other top 5 140 pounder will fight Hatton in England. It's just not worth it. After seeing the way Hatton-Tszyu fight was reffed and the one scorecard that was suspect at the time of stoppage, fighters who are not comfortable fighting dirty will question if the ref will stop Hatton and deduct from him when Hatton does it.

Fighting dirty is ok when your opponent does it too and says by actions that he wants to fight like that, but if one fighter fights by the rules and Hatton wants to fight dirty, fighters vs Hatton will not be comfortable with the reffing if Hatton is allowed to fight dirty and not deducted. Vs Tszyu they both did it so it was understandable.

Hatton will come to the U.S., or, despite his big win over Tszyu, he will be forgotten.

Yeah, you made good points, SL ("play the fool?") but again, it's not really the point I was making. Interesting read though, thanks for that.

As for Hatton, I can see him clocking up a couple of wins over rated opponents... Coralles for one, simply due to the fact that Hatton is naturally heavier than the weight, and Coralles will be coming up.

As for the rest, I dunno...

[abdiel2k3]

What is this "Rippuh" lark all about?

Are they just lonely and want to be part of a group?... Or does it have more meaning?

Lol
hi
my name is abdiel aguilar im 19
and i use to be a rippuh
"crys"
Lol
nah it was just a fun thing
an homage to "The Jack"

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Hmm well, for the record, I wasn't directing that play-the-fool remark at you.

Hatton will own Corrales. There's going to be some sad, crying bitches if they fight just like after Tszyu lost. Corrales will not win a war with Hatton and does not have the mind to outbox Hatton all night.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Hatton could have fought big fights in the U.S. earlier, blah, blah...

Hatton could sell 48,000 seats in Manchester City Staduim, fight @2:00a.m. for American tv networks... (American money)... Have a purse that would entice ANY top ranked fighter to come to him. Be loyal to his fans and allow them to see him live!

He could on the other hand, sell 5,000 seats in a Las Vegas Hotel/Casino, And fight in front of American/people (who I understand from this website) won't give him any credit for his achievements because he's not American.

It's not about what Americans think of his career when it's all said and done... It's more what the rest of the World thinks of his career when it's over, as to whether he'll be known as a great or not.

In America, everything's about America... Anything that happens outside America doesn't matter, America!

I don't wanna sound patronising kiddo but, things are very different out there in the big wide world, and people think very differenty about Americans and American fighters than what you lot are told on TV.

Hence the whole "Roy Jones Junior fighter ducker of the decade" debate.

Hmm well, for the record, I wasn't directing that play-the-fool remark at you.

Hatton will own Corrales. There's going to be some sad, crying bitches if they fight just like after Tszyu lost. Corrales will not win a war with Hatton and does not have the mind to outbox Hatton all night.

That's cool, SL, I like to read your posts. I might not agree with them all the time, but you always have something to say and that's refreshing.

I agree about Corrales though... he's just not big enough, sadly.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Be loyal to his fans and allow them to see him live!

Being loyal to fans doesn't get you respect, maybe hometown geezers like yourself (no offense but obviously you are in Hatton's arsehole). I've explained why he needs to fight here, and he knows the reasons. He has said so himself. If you don't see the reason then you'll never be convinced, and good for you, but you're wrong.

I don't wanna sound patronising kiddo but, things are very different out there in the big wide world, and people think very differenty about Americans and American fighters than what you lot are told on TV.

You don't wanna sound patronizing but call me kiddo...right. Anyway, as grandiose as your world-travels must be, the fact that you don't understand why fighters fight in the U.S. and need to fight in the U.S. is mind-blowing. martin, I asked you not to play the fool and yet you did to a T. I don't get my opinions from the tube, my family has been in boxing for 40 years. Maybe you get your ops from T.V., but we don't.

[NiGe2011]

Personally I don't really care if Hatton fights outside of the UK or not. I mean, it's his home country, it is where his largest fan-base is, I don't see why he should come state-side persay. I can't really imagine pressure being put on a big United States born boxing superstar to go and fight in Japan or something, so I don't see why it should be a double standard for Ricky. I am sure that people are going to say that United States is the largest media market and all that, but boxing is also very popular overseas and in the age of cable and sattelite television we can see live events from anywhere. So what I say is, as long as Ricky can get opponents to go to him then he should just keep on doing what he is doing.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Being loyal to fans doesn't get you respect, maybe hometown geezers like yourself (no offense but obviously you are in Hatton's arsehole). I've explained why he needs to fight here, and he knows the reasons. He has said so himself. If you don't see the reason then you'll never be convinced, and good for you, but you're wrong.

1st off, I hope you're able to hold a conversation and dissagreement without resulting to insults like this above.

No I'm not "in Hatton's arsehole" as you so eliquently put it... I've expressed my opinions on here quite openly before that I think Miguel Cotto is the best Light-welterweight in the World at the moment.

You don't wanna sound patronizing but call me kiddo...right.

This is a joke... it's called irony.

Anyway, as grandiose as your world-travels must be,

You don't need to get persoanl... Yes I have been a hippy backpack traveller, and been to many different places around the World, so how does that filter into a boxing disscusion?

the fact that you don't understand why fighters fight in the U.S. and need to fight in the U.S. is mind-blowing. martin, I asked you not to play the fool and yet you did to a T. I don't get my opinions from the tube, my family has been in boxing for 40 years. Maybe you get your ops from T.V., but we don't.

You're missing the point I was making... "things are very different out there in the big wide world, and people think very differenty about Americans and American fighters" Surely you must get that from being a Roy Jones Junior fan?