WADA: The only experts on PED's say about HGH........

[flexxx145]

Why are you asking for my credential etc? If I posted anything it would come off as bragging, something that is not in my nature.

As far as me bring that up, I never said you didn't know its just the majority of posters post stuff about it and have no idea what they are talking about. If you do that's cool and good for you. With that said, I brought up the fact that it is produced natural because that is the reason it has been difficult to detect.

In reality, I never refuted what they have said. I just stated that they only bring up the negative effects of using these, and not the benefits, leaving the general public with negative ideas when the name HGH, EPO etc are brought up.


FWIW...the test Floyd wanted to implement would have worked anyway and the only way the sport will get cleaned up is via commission based/year round testing.

Well when I see you cosigning ignorance and confusion then I have to call you out. Since when is non-scientific opinion valid in the medical field? That dude knows nothing and worse is confident in his ignorance.

The only way to effect year round OST is to start slowly then expand. But Manny is scared of just these baby steps leads me to think he has something to hide.

[TheNegation]

Well when I see you cosigning ignorance and confusion then I have to call you out. Since when is non-scientific opinion valid in the medical field? That dude knows nothing and worse is confident in his ignorance.

What about my post is ignorant?

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

First of all Growth Hormone is not a steroid. It's combination of 191 amino acids, that when used, basically forces the body to produce IGF-1.

I know that! IGF-1 is one of the main regulators of the anabolic catabolic cycle. So I wonder what that means?

Secondly, HGH, used by itself, from a performance enhancing standpoint is close to useless. HGH is better stacked with tradtional AAS.

Really? So if I increase my IGF-1, I would expect to see no response by the body?

The only real benefit anyone would experience from using HGH is dramatically decreased recovery time from strenuous activity, faster healing from injuries etc.

If I trained like a "MACHINE" would I need anything to help me recover from the grind I put my body through. Especially if im not looking to bulk up but maximize my training efforts. Excercise does damage to the body right? When you work out your gains have just as much to do with your recovery time as they do your actual excercise time?

It doesn't grant you with Tyson-esg knockout power or Roy Jones Jr reflexes and speed.

It doesn't improve your ability to take a punch.

It doesn't make you a better boxer.

So in short, HGH is uselss by itself.

For you to say this confuses me. When I look at the medical texts, particularly dealing with endocrinology, I get the opposite impression.

Lastly, just because the nerds at USADA say they can blood tests are more "suitable", doesn't mean that whoever is taking is will automatically fail a test, USADA and Anti-Doping squads will always be a step behind. That's the way it will always be. There are ALWAYS ways to get around testing.

Thus we should never attempt to adopt tests with greater sensitivity or specificity as the current tests?

GSP my friend, you are wrong IMO. BS in biology and 1yr away from an MD/MPH. I know my endocrinology and I dont need a website to give me an opinion. Knowing the biochemical pathways of the body allows me to easily see the benefits of HGH use that a boxer may gain. I think pacq is using a PED, is it HGH, probably.

How did mickey rourke get that hulk hogan look after years of hard living? IDK and dnt care but it is a mighty fine coincidence that he frequents the WCG in HOLLYWOOD with ROCKY.

[Khalid X]

Your attempt to glorify steroid use and abuse as OK is misguided and appalling. The body only makes a certain amount of these substances for a reason. If you aren't sick or prescribed by a licensed doctor then you shouldn't be taking them. HGH abuse will lead to growth abnormalities and arthritis. EPO abuse can lead to thickening of the blood and overproduction of erythrocytes. The side effects of anabolic steroids have already been well documented and are common knowledge in the medical community. Ask any doctor about the dangers of PED's they will tell you not to take them. I post professional facts and links you only post conjecture and asinine opinion.

When did I ever glorify the abuse of these drugs? I merely stated that there are benefits to these drugs, which were the whole reason they were designed in the first place. I also pointed out and co-signed that other poster when he brought up on the negative effects are brought to light, instead of these same people bringing up the medical benefits as well. To the uneducated person, people would think HGH and EPO are terrible and should be banned, when in fact many people depend on these to live normal lives.

You are trying way too hard my friend (by twisting my words in an attempt to flame)? Why don't you refute my real point, which is these drugs are beneficial to people with certain disorders? That was and is the only point I was making when I stated what I did as far as people actually using these for legit reasons.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Why are you asking for my credential etc? If I posted anything it would come off as bragging, something that is not in my nature.

As far as me bring that up, I never said you didn't know its just the majority of posters post stuff about it and have no idea what they are talking about. If you do that's cool and good for you. With that said, I brought up the fact that it is produced natural because that is the reason it has been difficult to detect.

In reality, I never refuted what they have said. I just stated that they only bring up the negative effects of using these, and not the benefits, leaving the general public with negative ideas when the name HGH, EPO etc are brought up.


FWIW...the test Floyd wanted to implement would have worked anyway and the only way the sport will get cleaned up is via commission based/year round testing.

WTF OSIRIS! The benefits is what drives the cheaters to use these drugs. They wouldnt know about them if the sick didnt get well from them. Its not the drugs that get the bad name. Its the cheaters that do. I wont prescribe a GH deficient kid HGH because I think of them as bad? Or I wont give that renal failure patient on dialysis his/her Epo becuz of the same nonsense?

[flexxx145]

What about my post is ignorant?

Everything the lack of actual medical knowledge, professional expertise, or at least a link to a reputable site. Your "professional" opinion is worth nothing.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Everything the lack of actual medical knowledge, professional expertise, or at least a link to a reputable site. Your "professional" opinion is worth nothing.

I already took care of that post. I believe i'm the one with the most credentials in this thread.

[flexxx145]

WTF OSIRIS! The benefits is what drives the cheaters to use these drugs. They wouldnt know about them if the sick didnt get well from them. Its not the drugs that get the bad name. Its the cheaters that do. I wont prescribe a GH deficient kid HGH because I think of them as bad? Or I wont give that renal failure patient on dialysis his/her Epo becuz of the same nonsense?

Of course he's right since they withhold these drugs from sick patients lol!

[flexxx145]

I already took care of that post. I believe i'm the one with the most credentials in this thread.

You got me by a couple of years I'm two years from my BS and I'm trying to be a PA. Maybe go in the anesthesia, makes good money and not as long as medical school.

[Khalid X]

GSP my friend, you are wrong IMO. BS in biology and 1yr away from an MD/MPH. I know my endocrinology and I dont need a website to give me an opinion. Knowing the biochemical pathways of the body allows me to easily see the benefits of HGH use that a boxer may gain. I think pacq is using a PED, is it HGH, probably.

How did mickey rourke get that hulk hogan look after years of hard living? IDK and dnt care but it is a mighty fine coincidence that he frequents the WCG in HOLLYWOOD with ROCKY.

honestly though...Pac has not gotten bulking at all. He looks less defined at 147 than he did at 135. Also I really can't see the benefits of a boxer using HGH alone, which is what GSP pointed out. Only thing I can honestly see is for recovery.

I mean what point would there be in using HGH alone, esp. considering a sport like boxing is one of the few where it's actually beneficial to come in smaller than your normal walk around weight? I'm not trying to flame, but just curious because I just don't see it.