WADA: The only experts on PED's say about HGH........

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

honestly though...Pac has not gotten bulking at all. He looks less defined at 147 than he did at 135. Also I really can't see the benefits of a boxer using HGH alone, which is what GSP pointed out. Only thing I can honestly see is for recovery.

I mean what point would there be in using HGH alone, esp. considering a sport like boxing is one of the few where it's actually beneficial to come in smaller than your normal walk around weight? I'm not trying to flame, but just curious because I just don't see it.

I know your not flaming, its cool. Look at my above reply to GSP. I clearly in laymen's terms highlight the benefit of HGH alone.

[TheNegation]

Everything the lack of actual medical knowledge, professional expertise, or at least a link to a reputable site. Your "professional" opinion is worth nothing.

Just because I don't have a degree doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't true or doesn't hold merit.

I never said I was a professional or expert. I've done my research enough to be able to form my own opinion.

I could say that the human heart pumps blood throughout the body, but do I have to be a ****ing cardiologist to be taken seriously?

It's not like I'm saying things that are ridiculous and untrue.

[daydachamp]

the ONLY experts? okay... you think we all were born yesterday and are going to grant monopoly to wada.
i have some trinkets in my pocket. perhaps you will consider them in exchange for the brooklyn bridge.
compete fairly

[Khalid X]

Why are you asking for my credential etc? If I posted anything it would come off as bragging, something that is not in my nature.

As far as me bring that up, I never said you didn't know its just the majority of posters post stuff about it and have no idea what they are talking about. If you do that's cool and good for you. With that said, I brought up the fact that it is produced natural because that is the reason it has been difficult to detect.

In reality, I never refuted what they have said. I just stated that they only bring up the negative effects of using these, and not the benefits, leaving the general public with negative ideas when the name HGH, EPO etc are brought up.


FWIW...the test Floyd wanted to implement would have worked anyway and the only way the sport will get cleaned up is via commission based/year round testing.

WTF OSIRIS! The benefits is what drives the cheaters to use these drugs. They wouldnt know about them if the sick didnt get well from them. Its not the drugs that get the bad name. Its the cheaters that do. I wont prescribe a GH deficient kid HGH because I think of them as bad? Or I wont give that renal failure patient on dialysis his/her Epo becuz of the same nonsense?

You basically said the same thing I've been saying. This drugs get a bad name due to cheaters etc, and only the negative effects of abuse get reported. I merely pointed out the unbalanced view these drugs have been getting lately.

I'm just curious as to why you and the other guy twist what I say? My points are pretty basic and clear, so I'm not seeing how you are misinterpreting what I'm saying?

again....like I said, you made the same exact points I have been making. Honestly bro...since you are in the medical field (or are going) then you already should know that there have been drugs that have been beneficial to people but where banned due to negative/unbalanced views on their use.

I have know instances in which a drug would have not even hurt or cause harmed to a person, yet an individual has to suffer needlessly just because someone spins things to fit an agenda. I'm not saying they are doing this with HGH or other drugs, but that guy did bring up an excellent point about certain drugs not being used (even banned), due to medical experts only bringing up biased views of he drugs effects/benefits.

[Khalid X]

Of course he's right since they withhold these drugs from sick patients lol!

While your trying to funny, there have been certain drugs that were beneficial to patients but not given due to unbalanced views on them (which was the point I was trying to make).

In all honesty, I have a chance to get into medical school, but I chose not to due to me not agreeing with certain politics that play apart in administering drugs/helping to patients.

I'm not trying to discourage or **** on anyone's career choice, but I'm just bringing this up because my last two replies were one of the many reason I really don't like a lot of things when it comes to medicine and things in the health care industry.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Just because I don't have a degree doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't true or doesn't hold merit.

I never said I was a professional or expert. I've done my research enough to be able to form my own opinion.

I could say that the human heart pumps blood throughout the body, but do I have to be a ****ing cardiologist to be taken seriously?

It's not like I'm saying things that are ridiculous and untrue.

GSP, plz address my reply to your post.

[flexxx145]

GSP, plz address my reply to your post.

You won't get one, at least not a credible one.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

You won't get one, at least not a credible one.

i thought we were having an intellectual debate?

[flexxx145]

i thought we were having an intellectual debate?

You can't have one with someone that doesn't present facts. The only thing he has posted is his own opinions.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

You can't have one with someone that doesn't present facts. The only thing he has posted is his own opinions.

True story.