Hatton Pound for Pound?

[SonnyG8R]

i don't think you could say hatton is top 5 but somewhere from 8-12 i mreckon

I think that's pretty accurate as well.

[Manny_P]

why is that crazy, tarver was in the p4p list cos he beat roy jones by your reckoning then hatton must be p4p now then.

niether hatotn nor taylor should be ranked p4p based on one world class win.

whats crazy about that.

its crazy becuz by your logic..........PAC shoulnt have been on P4P list afta beatin Barrera? Thats very crazy to me!!!!!!

[The Fix]

Fix, YOU need to get over this head 2 head thing. Morales has beaten Zaragoza, McCullough, Barrera at 122; Kelley, Chi, Ayala at 126; and Chavez, Hernandez and Pacquiao at 130. He has dominated the guy that kicked Barreras ass twice, and convincingly beat maybe the most dangerous fighter in any weight class (who also dominated Barrera and KOed him). Erik's career outside of this head to head business has been better than Marco's hands down. Morales only takes on top guys (no Fana's and old Ayala's) and is going to make history when he wins a 4th world title at 135. Erik's last 5 fights he's 4-1 with only 1 close MD loss to Barrera. Barrera is also 4-1 but his level of competition in significantly worse than Morales', and he was dominated and KOed in that 1 loss. If this info doesn't change your mind then nothing will though, just hold on to that "head 2 head" argument for dear life.

So if some bum off the street with a somewhat padded record who got blasted out by Kofi Jantuah in 3 rounds came in and beat Maragarito next week by way of technical decision they'd be a top 20 fighter? That's basically what you're saying because Santos hasn't done **** outside of that one awful fight with AM and his win over the old ass, overrated Yory-Boy Campas.

That Lewis/Rahman argument is way off and doesnt apply here. We're talking about 2 elite fighters here...not 1 big time champion and 1 severe underdog with a good right hand. Castillo/Corrales was pretty damned even and these guys were the 2 big dogs in their division. This isn't a case where Castillo is just so much better than Corrales that everyone can still say that Castillo's better after he lost and was KOed like it was some lucky punch fluke. Corrales has beaten Casamayor, Freitas, and now JLC right in a row. JLC had a nice run going before the loss, but a loss is a loss and you should still be bumped down below the other p4p guy that beat you. You're also contradicting yourself with the whole head to head argument here. By your Barrera/Morales logic, Corrales SHOULD in fact be ranked higher than Castillo.

Don't compare Ouma to Mayorga please. Ouma ain't some mindless slugger who just comes and throws bombs and intimidates his opponents. Ouma has fast hands, has maybe THE highest workrate in the game right now, is one of the 3-4 best in-fighters in the game, has a great chin, throws punches in combination from all angles behind the jab, and is a pretty good defensive fighter himself. His "snoozefest" win over a good fighter in Kofi Jantuah was such a "snoozefest" because he shut out and thoroughly dominated him (by the way, what does that say about your top 20 fighter in Santos who was blasted out by Jantuah in 3 rounds?) Cory isn't active enough to rack up points on Ouma, he doesn't have the power to keep Ouma off of him, and Ouma has more than enough stamina to hang with Cory for the full 12. Kassim would slaughter Spinks at this stage of the game.

you say castillo should be ranked below chico because he castillo lost their fight but you think mab should be rated below morales after defeating him.....twice. come on OG im talkin p4p who beats who not who had the better career. i could care less what happened years ago, imo p4p MAB beats morales RIGHT NOW.

Margarito is an elite fighter so yes beating him right now puts you in the top 20. besides fighters do improve OG, santos may not be the same fighter that was beaten by kofi. thats like saying glen johnsons wins over roy jones and antonio tarver mean nothing because glen johnson lost 9 times before that.

and i guess there is no way for me to prove that spinks is still an elite fighter and would have a very good chance of beating ouma. we'll have to wait to see if this fight happens for me to prove you wrong.


btw OG ive made room in my bank for that incoming 20 mill after the heat beat the pistons tonight

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

p4p is part "what have you done for me lately" and part career's accomplishments, as well as who would beat who if they weighed the same naturally.

1) Bernard Hopkins
2) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3) Winky Wright
4) Ricky Hatton
5) Zab Judah
6) Diego Corrales
7) Jose Luis Castillo
8) Marco Antonio Barerra
8a) Erik Morales
8c) Manny Pacquiao

That's it. That's ten guys. Rafael Marquez just missed the cut for me, as well as Kostya Tszyu.

[Tha_Greatest]

I Have to give Ricky Hatton More credit, I would Love to see him against one of Mexicos elites fighters, I wonder if hell put on a Hamed(like Hamed V.Barrera) or be successful, PacMan thought Mexicos elites were easy by beating out Barrera and got exposed by Marquez and Morales,

I would love to see Hatton Vs Morales
Morales unanimousmous decision over Hatton

[Marcus_Stunner]

wut? hatton p4p? haha. funny. sure he beat KT but he's not even impressive for god's sake! If this is wrestling i might consider him.

[oldgringo]

you say castillo should be ranked below chico because he castillo lost their fight but you think mab should be rated below morales after defeating him.....twice. come on OG im talkin p4p who beats who not who had the better career. i could care less what happened years ago, imo p4p MAB beats morales RIGHT NOW.

Margarito is an elite fighter so yes beating him right now puts you in the top 20. besides fighters do improve OG, santos may not be the same fighter that was beaten by kofi. thats like saying glen johnsons wins over roy jones and antonio tarver mean nothing because glen johnson lost 9 times before that.

and i guess there is no way for me to prove that spinks is still an elite fighter and would have a very good chance of beating ouma. we'll have to wait to see if this fight happens for me to prove you wrong.


btw OG ive made room in my bank for that incoming 20 mill after the heat beat the pistons tonight

Then in that case lets put Rodney Jones in the top 20 fighters. I mean, he beat Margarito too and he sucks otherwise but hey why not? His record is similar to Santos' so I guess he's just as deserving right?

I could see you making a case for Barrera being higher than Morales if Morales had lost to other people than Barrera or was dominated and KOed by 2 other fighters. Fix, this "p4p Barrera would beat Morales so he should be higher" logic doesn't work because in that case you should have Manny Pacquiao above Barrera. I mean, he has had a good career too and just dominated and KOed Marco and probably would do so again so why should he be lower?

You're right Spinks would have nothing for Ouma. He'd be worn down and stopped late. And hey man, this ain't monkey business....the Pistons don't **** around in crunch time. Get ready to see the red white and blue in the Finals against your Spurs buddy because the Stons are going to get nasty on the HEat tonight.

[The Fix]

Then in that case lets put Rodney Jones in the top 20 fighters. I mean, he beat Margarito too and he sucks otherwise but hey why not? His record is similar to Santos' so I guess he's just as deserving right?

I could see you making a case for Barrera being higher than Morales if Morales had lost to other people than Barrera or was dominated and KOed by 2 other fighters. Fix, this "p4p Barrera would beat Morales so he should be higher" logic doesn't work because in that case you should have Manny Pacquiao above Barrera. I mean, he has had a good career too and just dominated and KOed Marco and probably would do so again so why should he be lower?

You're right Spinks would have nothing for Ouma. He'd be worn down and stopped late. And hey man, this ain't monkey business....the Pistons don't **** around in crunch time. Get ready to see the red white and blue in the Finals against your Spurs buddy because the Stons are going to get nasty on the HEat tonight.

does rodney jones have a very recent win over antonio margarito? i dont think so...... santos like it or not beat a very good fighter in margarito and imo for that deserves a spot in the top 20 P4p.

the reason i dont have manny ahead of mab is because manny just lost a fight to morales whom mab has a fresh win over. a loss in the top 10 means you are dropping some spots. if pac beats mab again id be more than happy to rate pac ahead of mab.

btw put up your top 20, i would like to see because its all just opnion anyway

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

These are supposed to be pound4pound ranking after all, and Santos was quite bigger than Margarito in the ring. Also, Margarito went up in weight to fight him and still won the fight in many people's eyes.

[{BrownBomber}]

These are supposed to be pound4pound ranking after all, and Santos was quite bigger than Margarito in the ring. Also, Margarito went up in weight to fight him and still won the fight in many people's eyes.

Very true he was robbed in Santos hometown.
If Margarito were to beat Judah would put him in the P4P? where would he rank?