Hatton Pound for Pound?

[jswa17]

hatton is definitely NOT a P4P. just watched hatton vs. Tszyu, throughout the fight hatton was rushing in with his head, locks up tszyu's arms repeatedly, he was making this fight a wrestling match rather than a boxing match. very very sloppy fight and i was very disappointed. of course, u can argue that this was hatton's "strategy" to wear tzyu down, but still, i wasn't impressed by hatton AT ALL. if the fight was in the u.s. or australia, ref. would've done something about hatton's dirty tactics. and the low blow in retaliation??? damn, that was definitely intentional and from the look of it, it was a devastating low blow. tszyu's low blow was arguable, u could call that legit. i give hatton credit for his stamina, relentlessness and ability to capitalize on older fighter who doesn't have as much steam as him. but skill-wise, he's not THAT impressive....

[BadMagick]

If anyone clicked that link on the first page, tell me this: "Welcome to the big time "Hitman" Hatton. The Manchester lad was fantastic in stopping IBF champion Tszyu in his own back yard." doesn't make it sound like Hatton took Tszyu out in Australia.

[oldgringo]

does rodney jones have a very recent win over antonio margarito? i dont think so...... santos like it or not beat a very good fighter in margarito and imo for that deserves a spot in the top 20 P4p.

the reason i dont have manny ahead of mab is because manny just lost a fight to morales whom mab has a fresh win over. a loss in the top 10 means you are dropping some spots. if pac beats mab again id be more than happy to rate pac ahead of mab.

btw put up your top 20, i would like to see because its all just opnion anyway

He beat him by TD. Technical decisions really say nothing about how good you are IMO. Hell, Julio Gonzales just beat Montell Griffin by TD and there were no real conclusions drawn from that fight. Margarito was on his way to a decision or knocking out Santos from what I saw.

I had Morales p4p #3 in the world before his CLOSE loss to Barrera. When he lost I dropped him down to about #6 or 7 because it was such a close fight. When he beat Pacquiao, I bumped him back up to #4 because he beat a p4p guy (#4-6 on most lists I saw at the time) who was widely considered to be one of the most dangerous guys in boxing and still is. Pacquiao was coming off a draw with Marquez in which he would have won if not for a scoring error, a blowout of a mediocre fighter, and the blowout KO of Barrera. Morales beat him and that moved him up to #4 in my book, ahead of Barrera.

Before Barrera fought Pacquiao, I had him very high up on the p4p charts (I dont remember exactly like #3) because of his wins over Morales and Hamed. He lost in such brutal, one-sided fashion however, and other fighters stock had risen so much that I moved him way down to around #10. Then he beat Morales again which moved him up a few slots because Morales is such a good fighter.

My top 20 looks like this:

1. Bernard Hopkins (until hes dethroned)
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr (he needs to do big things at 140)
3. Winky Wright (Mosely x2 and Trinidad shut-out)
4. Erik Morales (for every reason I explained above)
5. Diego Corrales (40-2, W Casa, Freitas, JLC...L PBF, Casa)
6. Rafael Marquez (impressive streak...W Johnson x2, Austin)
7. Marco Antonio Barrera (Win over Morales and great career)
8. Ricky Hatton (huge win over Tszyu, still undefeated)
9. Zab Judah (on top of his game, impressive KO of Cory Spinks)
10. Glen Johnson (W Tarver, RJJ, Woods, Harding all in a row)
11. Jose L. Castillo (close loss to Chico, great streak before)
12. Manny Pacquiao (close L to Morales, still very dangerous)
13. Juan Manuel Marquez (still big dog at 126, '99 was last loss)
14. Kostya Tszyu (seems to be at the end of his career/reign)
15. James Toney (hasn't lost in forever, i dont care bout roids)
16. Antonio Tarver (I thought he beat Johnson, still dangerous)
17. Kassim Ouma (going to rule 154, W Phillips, Candelo, Jantuah)
18. Antonio Margarito (W Lewis, Cintron...crap loss to Santos)
19. Joel Casamayor (i thought he beat JLC, only L's to top guys)
20. Cory Spinks (still a good fighter, Judah is a top dog now)

[oldgringo]

I'd have Toney higher but the whole roids ordeal and everyone here would ***** at me.

Judah and Johnson are interchangeable...Castillo is right there too.

Ouma would be higher but he still hasn't beaten an elite guy.

[urdaddyinAZ]

Ricky cracks my top 10 P4P with this win, but he needs to fight another top notch 140 pounder in the States before I will move him any higher. I don't care if the kid beats everyone he ever faces again, if they are all in Manchester he will never go higher on my list. I think the kid is being given an unfair advantage. Both mentally (all those fans rooting for you has to give you a super high) and physically (no way he gets away the hug and hit, deliberate low blow, and wrestling if the fight were fought here in the states). He has definite skills, heart, and a chin. If he would come to the states and get a couple impressive wins he could actually become one of the most popular fighters of our generation. I don't care if the kid is English or from Mars....if he can fight, he makes action fights, he has heart, and he's not a blubbering idiot (Judah, Toney, Mayweather) then he'll be one of my favs. Just stop babying the kid Warren, you got your belt and big payday.....now bring the kid to the land of milk and honey.

[QueenCity]

I can't think of Hatton as being one of the top 10 or 15 just yet, he did make look Tszyu pretty old, but I think of that fight as Hatton simply fighting the right guy at the right time. Tszyu was a hot fighter going into the match eventhough he had only fought three rounds in like two years and probably wasn't as sharp as we all thought he was.

[MAXWELL_]

i beg to differ bro...totally. it just doesn't make sense.....

if hatton had fought top ranked opponents before tszyu, then maybe he would have a case, but this was his first real top ranked opponent.....that;s why cotto isn't even on the p4p rankings yet...

scott harrison is because he has fought many top ranked opponents.

right on the mark moo. hattons style beat tszyu. not his power.now if he wins another one from corrales or castillo then i would reconsider.

[elveiel]

i beg to differ bro...totally. it just doesn't make sense.....

if hatton had fought top ranked opponents before tszyu, then maybe he would have a case, but this was his first real top ranked opponent.....that;s why cotto isn't even on the p4p rankings yet...

scott harrison is because he has fought many top ranked opponents.

I understand your point but beating a top rank featherweight might only be as good as beating a top 20 fighter in the light welter division. With the exception of JMM and Chi(who Harrison hanst fought) the division isnt that strong anymore.

Fighters like Medina, Chacon, Polo and Brodie aint much better than Tackie, Phillips and Magee(i'm dont even think they are as good because Hattons opponents can all punch) and there defintely not as good as Tszyu.

[The Fix]

He beat him by TD. Technical decisions really say nothing about how good you are IMO. Hell, Julio Gonzales just beat Montell Griffin by TD and there were no real conclusions drawn from that fight. Margarito was on his way to a decision or knocking out Santos from what I saw.

I had Morales p4p #3 in the world before his CLOSE loss to Barrera. When he lost I dropped him down to about #6 or 7 because it was such a close fight. When he beat Pacquiao, I bumped him back up to #4 because he beat a p4p guy (#4-6 on most lists I saw at the time) who was widely considered to be one of the most dangerous guys in boxing and still is. Pacquiao was coming off a draw with Marquez in which he would have won if not for a scoring error, a blowout of a mediocre fighter, and the blowout KO of Barrera. Morales beat him and that moved him up to #4 in my book, ahead of Barrera.

Before Barrera fought Pacquiao, I had him very high up on the p4p charts (I dont remember exactly like #3) because of his wins over Morales and Hamed. He lost in such brutal, one-sided fashion however, and other fighters stock had risen so much that I moved him way down to around #10. Then he beat Morales again which moved him up a few slots because Morales is such a good fighter.

My top 20 looks like this:

1. Bernard Hopkins (until hes dethroned)
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr (he needs to do big things at 140)
3. Winky Wright (Mosely x2 and Trinidad shut-out)
4. Erik Morales (for every reason I explained above)
5. Diego Corrales (40-2, W Casa, Freitas, JLC...L PBF, Casa)
6. Rafael Marquez (impressive streak...W Johnson x2, Austin)
7. Marco Antonio Barrera (Win over Morales and great career)
8. Ricky Hatton (huge win over Tszyu, still undefeated)
9. Zab Judah (on top of his game, impressive KO of Cory Spinks)
10. Glen Johnson (W Tarver, RJJ, Woods, Harding all in a row)
11. Jose L. Castillo (close loss to Chico, great streak before)
12. Manny Pacquiao (close L to Morales, still very dangerous)
13. Juan Manuel Marquez (still big dog at 126, '99 was last loss)
14. Kostya Tszyu (seems to be at the end of his career/reign)
15. James Toney (hasn't lost in forever, i dont care bout roids)
16. Antonio Tarver (I thought he beat Johnson, still dangerous)
17. Kassim Ouma (going to rule 154, W Phillips, Candelo, Jantuah)
18. Antonio Margarito (W Lewis, Cintron...crap loss to Santos)
19. Joel Casamayor (i thought he beat JLC, only L's to top guys)
20. Cory Spinks (still a good fighter, Judah is a top dog now)

i like your list, i just cant have hatton that high after one big win over a guy who may or may not be over the hill. imo Zoo is just past his prime but to all the british fight fans im not knocking hattons win, he deserves all the credit in the world

btw who you got if morales or pacman fights casamayor?
i think they'd be some tough fights.

[Grimgash]

Manny P has a great point, some of you rate Hatton in top 5???.... P4P cuz he beat KT. On the other hand Jermain doesn't make top 10 p4p for beating the number 1 p4p fighter in the world? I just can't seem to grasp the logic there....