Muhammad Ali would toy with Wladimir Klitschko

[boxingking500]

Agreed. These fantasy matchup threads too often seem to be about discrediting or diminshing a current foreign fighter because fighters from the US aren't doing well against him today. It's all rather sad I think.

i agree, this is just to discredit and diminish wladimir

[knn]

Im talking Prime and not age. Ali's prime was in the 1964 to 1967 range before the layoff. He fought Norton in 1975, 1977, in that range at 35, 36 years old. Remember Ali was a boxer and speed was a major key to his overall style. He was able to make adjustments in the 70s that made him still a great fighter. But im talking prime Ali who could box for 15 rounds without getting tired and throw combos like a 160 pounder.

Ali until 1967 had exactly 7 heavyweight fights (both opponents 200+) of which 2 were bums (London, Powell). All the other fights were cruiser-type fights. An unexperienced featherfist like Ali (12-round KORatio in real heavyweight fights of WHOLE CAREER = 30%+) would have no chances against Wlad.

He was one of the slowest boxers ever because he constantly gets hit with even the slowest punches. How would Ali survive? By featherfist punches or by Rope-a-dope?

If you think Wlad would EVER get endangered by a featherfisty + no-defense type of guy like Ali you need some severe reality adjustment.

PRIME FOREMAN (220lbs 6'3.5'') has chances against Wlad. Ali? Never.

[Scott9945]

Terrell was much better than Tony Thompson. You're being ridiculous.Terrell beat top fighters like Eddie Machen, Cleveland Williams, Zora Folley, Ingemar Johnason, and George Chuvalo. What top rated fighters has Thompson ever beaten? His biggest wins were Dominique Guinn,Timar ibrigimov and Luan Krasniqi. Either you're misinformed, uniformed, or just a delusional Klitschko fan. It amazes me when people like you try to discredit Ali to make Klitschko look better.

Terrell was a big heavyweight (for that time), and most of those guys would be cruiserweights now. He never fought Johansson BTW. Terrell was a mechanical one armed fighter with no punch. He wouldn't win one minute of one round against the Klitschko's. He was also KO'd by Williams, and totally exposed against clubfighter Thad Spencer right after he fought Ali.

And I'm not discrediting Ali. He proved his greatness when he had the better competition in the 70's. I'm just saying he fought a bunch of leftover garbage during his first title reign. It wasn't his fault, and he never ducked anyone. Just like Wladimir Klitschko.

[flexxx145]

Ali is the greatest HW of all time. /end thread!

[Jim Jeffries]

Ali is the greatest HW of all time. /end thread!

Greatness and head to head match ups are two different things.

Marciano is obviously greater than David Tua, but personally I think that's a bad style match up for him.

[flexxx145]

Greatness and head to head match ups are two different things.

Marciano is obviously greater than David Tua, but personally I think that's a bad style match up for him.

The thing about the Klits is I haven't seen a signature win from either of them yet. There isn't one fight where I can say "wow I'm impressed.." It's not their fault that the HW div sucks. Hopefully a decent challenger will arise soon to test that reslove.

[knn]

Greatness and head to head match ups are two different things.

Marciano is obviously greater than David Tua, but personally I think that's a bad style match up for him.

True words.

Ali's P4P record (= including his cruiser and heavyweight fights) is great. But his PERFORMANCE sucks: He is slooow (= eats punches the whole night), he is featherfisted (ultra low KOratio), loses rounds, gets gift decisions, has doubtful wins (Foreman, Frazier etc).

This is a time machine thread (= Ali as we know him vs Klit as we know him in 1 ring). I see NOTHING in Ali's actual performances that could justify a win over Klitschko. When was the last time you saw Wlad bein out-decisioned? When was the last time you saw Wlad having problems with smaller featherfisty fighters?

Ali wins vs Wlad? Forget it. It is far more discussable whether Foreman would have a chance against Wlad.

Let me also add that there is a greater delusion than "Ali toys Wlad": It's "Joe Louis wins against Wlad" and "Marciano wins against Wlad". These are even greater delusions.

[Scott9945]

Come on man, I have seen you posting on here for ages, and you know your ****. You can't be serious.

Look, I rate Ali as the best heavyweight ever. But his competition in the 60's was crap. Of course part of it is because Ali's talent was so brilliant, he made his opponents look feeble. Still, his competition consisted of ordinary talents who took turns beating each other (Terrell, Williams, Folley), and second raters (Chuvalo, Mildenberger, Cooper, London). His first title defense was against Patterson, who had been annilated twice by the guy he just KO'd twice. And he really was the best available contender.

Eddie Chambers is a small heavyweight, and I'd pick him against any Ali opponent in the 1960's, except for maybe Liston.