Is margarito too big for pacquiao?

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  • Left Banned Tua
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    #41
    Originally posted by bojangles1987
    I think Pac has proven at this point that moving right at him throwing punches does nothing more than get that fighter KTFO. Other than height, Margarito brings nothing to the table capable of beating Pacquiao. He doesn't have very good defense, he doesn't have much footspeed or handspeed, he doesn't have a ton of power, and who knows how his chin is after what happened with Mosley. The fight would be competitive for maybe half the fight like the Cotto fight was and then Margarito would not be able to handle the speed, punching, and movement.
    really?

    and boxing him works?

    hatton can't see punches from southpaws.

    cotto never had a real good chin.


    what has pacquiao proved aside from he has the same power as ricardo torres and luis collazo.

    don't get **** twisted.

    hatton and cotto might not be able to slug it out with him but that doesn't mean no one can.

    a defensive ***** who didn't throw much , busted pac's eye up.

    to say that margarito can't go at him is ******.

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      #42
      Originally posted by -Blackout-
      Agreed, this is def something Pac should worry about. Still, Pac got a good chin and his movement in and out hit&run style is some of the best in the game right now. Pac got no stamnia issues he showed that against Clottey he can keep that pace for 12 rounds.

      When I go through this fight in my head I see Marg having the punchers chance, no doubt, but any other than that it'll be Pacs fight.
      pac does have a good chin. unfortunately his skin can't take the punches as good as his chin. against 147 guys , pac bruises up bad.

      pac does have great movement and can box. if he did that 100% of the time he can win a decision on marg BUT.......we all know pac will throwdown at least once in a while. put pac in there with chad dawson and pac will try to slug it out at least once. he can't help who he is and pac likes to fight.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Knickerbocker
        actually it's probably easier to overpower pac than outbox him.

        ever tried outboxing a guy way faster than you?

        now how about overpowering a guy way smaller than you?


        fast guys get outboxed all the time, with good timing and boxing IQ u can beat a faster guy any day. forrest-mosley is a good example.

        pac has been outboxed before, marquez did it twice and morales did it in their first fight. neighter of them were very fast fighters. nor were they even amongst the best pure boxers out there.

        pac has never been outfought, hes been outboxed or just caught with a big punch. u can never go into a fight just looking for a big punch so that leaves the option of outboxing him.

        pac isnt that small a WW, and hes very strong at the weight regardless. more importantly we have seen him fight, he loves guys who come at him and try to fight him. thats when he uses his speed effectively, they cant catch him and he busts them up with combinations of his own.

        when he has to come to his oponents its a whole other story. lateral movement can take away his combinations, he still overcommits to punches so u can counterpunch him to death. or u can use your jab and keep him at a distance.

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          #44
          Originally posted by bojangles1987
          I think Pac has proven at this point that moving right at him throwing punches does nothing more than get that fighter KTFO. Other than height, Margarito brings nothing to the table capable of beating Pacquiao. He doesn't have very good defense, he doesn't have much footspeed or handspeed, he doesn't have a ton of power, and who knows how his chin is after what happened with Mosley. The fight would be competitive for maybe half the fight like the Cotto fight was and then Margarito would not be able to handle the speed, punching, and movement.
          even better put..

          knickerbocker.. u dont know **** about boxing, dont try to explain yourself its embarassing, just give up.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Knickerbocker
            really?

            and boxing him works?

            hatton can't see punches from southpaws.

            cotto never had a real good chin.


            what has pacquiao proved aside from he has the same power as ricardo torres and luis collazo.

            don't get **** twisted.

            hatton and cotto might not be able to slug it out with him but that doesn't mean no one can.

            a defensive ***** who didn't throw much , busted pac's eye up.

            to say that margarito can't go at him is ******.
            Have you ever watched a Pacquiao fight pre-De La Hoya? Marquez boxed him and arguably beat him twice. Erik Morales boxed him and beat Pac. Everyone that goes straight at Pac gets dominated because no one has the combination of speed, punching, and movement Pac has. Margarito falls in that category. It would be close at first, just like the Cotto fight, and then Pac's superior attributes and skills would take over.

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              #46
              Originally posted by #1Assassin


              fast guys get outboxed all the time, with good timing and boxing IQ u can beat a faster guy any day. forrest-mosley is a good example.

              pac has been outboxed before, marquez did it twice and morales did it in their first fight. neighter of them were very fast fighters. nor were they even amongst the best pure boxers out there.

              pac has never been outfought, hes been outboxed or just caught with a big punch. u can never go into a fight just looking for a big punch so that leaves the option of outboxing him.

              pac isnt that small a WW, and hes very strong at the weight regardless. more importantly we have seen him fight, he loves guys who come at him and try to fight him. thats when he uses his speed effectively, they cant catch him and he busts them up with combinations of his own.

              when he has to come to his oponents its a whole other story. lateral movement can take away his combinations, he still overcommits to punches so u can counterpunch him to death. or u can use your jab and keep him at a distance.
              pacquiao has been outboxed by fellow featherweights.

              how many welterweights left aside from mayweather can outbox him?

              give me a break.

              most of these welterweights don't have the speed and skill to time someone as fast pacquiao.

              most of these do however have size and strength advantage over pacquiao.

              it is better to use those advantages than not.

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                #47
                I dont know why Pacquiao is letting Arum do this to his career

                Does anyone want to see the #1 p4p fighter in the sport go against a guy who cheated and is only being brought back to make money for Bob Arum. I find it hard to believe that they will make this fight happen and pretend it is a real event when it would be a complete joke

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by bojangles1987
                  Have you ever watched a Pacquiao fight pre-De La Hoya? Marquez boxed him and arguably beat him twice. Erik Morales boxed him and beat Pac. Everyone that goes straight at Pac gets dominated because no one has the combination of speed, punching, and movement Pac has. Margarito falls in that category. It would be close at first, just like the Cotto fight, and then Pac's superior attributes and skills would take over.
                  i've been watching pacquiao since the 1st time he fought in the u.s.

                  don't try to play that you haven't been following boxing long crap on me.

                  what pacquiao did in the flyweight and featherweight divisions is irrelevant to the welterweight division.

                  pacquiao was a solid featherweight and huge at flyweight.

                  those guys didn't have the size and strength advantages that these welterweights do.

                  at the same time these welterweights are not used to fighting someone of pacquiao's speed.

                  pacquiao might be faster than almost all featherweights but the fact is the speed difference between an average featherweight and pacquiao is much less than the average welterweight and pacquiao.

                  if you have size and length and good enough to time pacquiao , you can try to box him but most welterweights don't have the skills and speed to do that.

                  best to use your size and strength advantages.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by #1Assassin
                    even better put..

                    knickerbocker.. u dont know **** about boxing, dont try to explain yourself its embarassing, just give up.
                    i know enough boxing to know that having a couple wins at welterweight doesn't make you one.

                    mayweather had a great win over delahoya at 154. does that mean he's a junior middleweight?

                    please......

                    don't confuse a couple good wins in a division as meaning a guy is the right size for that division.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Knickerbocker
                      pacquiao has been outboxed by fellow featherweights.

                      how many welterweights left aside from mayweather can outbox him?

                      give me a break.

                      most of these welterweights don't have the speed and skill to time someone as fast pacquiao.

                      most of these do however have size and strength advantage over pacquiao.

                      it is better to use those advantages than not.


                      everyone who stands in front of pacquiao and trys to trade gets knocked the **** OUT!

                      theres no way to dispute that, just bringing on a guys slightly stronger wont change that.

                      this is how margarito pacquiao will go down:

                      margarito comes right at him trying to overpower him. pacquiao uses angles and movement, gets of his punches at the easy to hit margarito and then moves out of the way. margarito gets in a few shots but his lack of 1 punch KO power leaves him no chance of winning. rather than pac slowing down it will be margarito slowing down from pacquiaos assault. pac breaks him odwn and knocks him out.

                      there are not alot of fighters who can beat pac altogheter, but nobody will ever outfight him. but he can be outboxed.

                      boxing isnt as simple as just speed and power, u will realize that when u have watched more then a few months worth of boxing. styles make fights. pac can handle power, he cant handle boxers.

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