Why Does Manny Get a Pass for Cherry Picking Opponents?

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    #81
    Originally posted by bojangles1987
    This is easy.

    Cotto beat Mosley, and was a Top Rank fighter. Easy fight to make against one of the best welterweights in the world at that time.

    Pacquiao was not at 135, he was at 130 and had an agreement to fight Morales before he lost to Raheem. Kind of like how Floyd fought Judah even after he lost to Baldomir. By the time Pac moved to 135 Raheem was nobody.

    Hatton was the best 140 pounder in the world. That isn't an opinion, it was a fact at that time.

    Clottey you simply can't hate on. A top 5 welterweight, a very big welterweight, and Pac dominated. No legit way to bring that down at all.

    De La Hoya made the call to Pac, Oscar was trying to cherry pick a much smaller man, not the other way around moron. It's not Pac's fault Oscar didn't come into the fight seriously enough and weight drained.

    Nice try.

    yeah, floyds more of a cherry picker when he was the smaller guy moving up in weight classes to fight bigger guys and dominate them.

    while pac was the bigger guy draining himself so he could fight in lower weight classes b.c he wasnt good enough to move up in weight whhen he should have long ago

    *******s are simple

    but some of those smaller guys whipped pacs ass in the process

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      #82
      Originally posted by Biolink
      They've fought the same exact people, minus Cotto and it's debatable whether or not Cotto was the same fighter(Freddie Roach doesn't think so).

      Hatton's own damn camp said that they weren't ready for Mayweather at 140(They were ringside when he fought Gatti IIRC). They conceded to move up to 147, especially since there was no way Floyd was gonna drop 14 pounds and come down to 140, after he was at 154.

      That said whom do people consider Pacquiao's biggest win?

      I always though it was someone he fought at Featherweight.
      as a pac fan, his best win to date is against Marco Antonio Barrera.

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        #83
        Originally posted by Nike Phats
        No they don't. Manny's biggest fights with the exception of Cotto included fighters Mayweathers beaten, and most often, with the exception of JMM, he'd beaten them before Pac did. Mosely by himself is a better boxer than everyone on Pacs resume.

        Fact is, Pac isn't above criticism.
        Never said he was, Floyd's opponents all had losses prior to Floyd beating them with the exclusion of Hatton and Corrales so they must have all been damaged before Floyd fought them then.

        Cotto, DLH, JMM, Hatton, Morales, Barerra, Clottey, Diaz, Solis

        Are all names that appear to be more reputable than these,

        DLH, Hatton, Gatti, Baldomir, N'dou, Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez

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        • bojangles1987
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          #84
          Originally posted by No Ceilings
          Bro everybody can be criticized. Pac is not above the law.

          Casamayor he shouldve fought instead of Diaz.

          Mosley he shouldve fought over Cotto.
          Of course everyone can be criticized, but people are criticizing Pac for fighting the best, which is ridiculous.

          Diaz I won't argue with. Pac took a weak champion to test the waters, and Oscar came calling. The rest is history.

          Cotto beat Mosley, he was every bit as legit a fight as Mosley would have been, and he is a Top Rank fighter, I don't see how you can criticize Pacquiao fighting Mosley.

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            #85
            Originally posted by bojangles1987
            Of course everyone can be criticized, but people are criticizing Pac for fighting the best, which is ridiculous.

            Diaz I won't argue with. Pac took a weak champion to test the waters, and Oscar came calling. The rest is history.

            Cotto beat Mosley, he was every bit as legit a fight as Mosley would have been, and he is a Top Rank fighter, I don't see how you can criticize Pacquiao fighting Mosley.
            Diaz wasn't a weak champ. He wasn't the best but was top 5. Matter of a fact he beat the guy who dominated Casamayor (Santa Cruz)

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              #86
              Originally posted by bojangles1987
              Of course everyone can be criticized, but people are criticizing Pac for fighting the best, which is ridiculous.

              Diaz I won't argue with. Pac took a weak champion to test the waters, and Oscar came calling. The rest is history.

              Cotto beat Mosley, he was every bit as legit a fight as Mosley would have been, and he is a Top Rank fighter, I don't see how you can criticize Pacquiao fighting Mosley.
              Because Mosley barely lost to Cotto and closed the fight out stronger than he did and totally dominated the guy who beat Cotto into oblivion and that made Mosley the more highly regarded fighter at the time. This stuff isn't hard to figure out. And on top of that Cotto had just put up a weak performance against Clottey so there's another reason why it was an overhyped fight.

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                #87
                Originally posted by O.S.I.R.I.S
                as a pac fan, his best win to date is against Marco Antonio Barrera.
                I kinda figured it would be him, or Marquez.

                I give him full credit for the MAB win. I'm not hip on his fight career pre-Marquez, but I hear that MAB was the favorite in that fight.

                Full credit where it's due, even if some people claim MAB was on a downswing after he participated in those wars with Morales.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by mathed
                  Never said he was, Floyd's opponents all had losses prior to Floyd beating them with the exclusion of Hatton and Corrales so they must have all been damaged before Floyd fought them then.

                  Cotto, DLH, JMM, Hatton, Morales, Barerra, Clottey, Diaz, Solis

                  Are all names that appear to be more reputable than these,

                  DLH, Hatton, Gatti, Baldomir, N'dou, Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez
                  Here's the difference. You and I? Are opinions are irrelevant. By ROACH'S OWN ADMISSION, meaning the words cams straight out of Roach's mouth, that Cotto, DLH, and Hatton were either shot or past their prime.

                  I don't even know why you mentioned JMM. In both fights it can be argued that JMM won(especially the first), and Floyd dominated the man.

                  Morales was shot and past his prime, coming off a loss to a journeyman in Raheem.

                  We've already been over Clottey. No one expected Clottey to pose much of a threat.

                  Diaz was on the decline.

                  etc, etc, etc.

                  Again, Manny isn't above criticism.

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                  • bojangles1987
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Iceta Lives
                    Because Mosley barely lost to Cotto and closed the fight out stronger than he did and totally dominated the guy who beat Cotto into oblivion and that made Mosley the more highly regarded fighter at the time. This stuff isn't hard to figure out. And on top of that Cotto had just put up a weak performance against Clottey so there's another reason why it was an overhyped fight.
                    Everyone but Pac has at the very most put up a weak performance against Clottey, that's no legit criticism. It's not like Margarito completely dominated Cotto, he just showed an incredible example of perseverance and pressure after taking some huge shots for most the fight. Mosley matched up better with Margarito. Cotto was no washed up bum, he was the second best welterweight in the world at the time.

                    Pacquiao is getting criticism for fighting and dominating the second best welterweight in the world.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by O.S.I.R.I.S
                      I have asked this same question and non of you flamers, who claims Pac cherry picks, has ever answered this:

                      Who was better at
                      112 when pac chose to fight Sasukul
                      122 when pac chose to fight ledbawa
                      126 when Pac chose to fight Barrera
                      130 when Pac chose to fight Marquez and Morales
                      140 when Pac chose to fight Hatton
                      147 when Pac chose to fight Cotto

                      For those claiming he cherry picked, please answer any of the following.

                      *hears nothing but crickets*
                      barrera shot
                      morales shot
                      hatton shot
                      cotto shot
                      JMM beat pacs ass...twice

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