To The Pretender!!

[splittingatoms]

See I can agree with that because Tarver was really still a nobody at that point. Roy was a legend and didnt have to step down in weight to face him to prove a point. Roy's pride was his downfall...now Tarver's career is built on that one single punch. And like Tyson's defeats by Douglas/Holy, that whole intimidation factor and invincible aura is now gone for Jones so every fighter he faced will no longer see him as someone who cant be beat. Thats why Glen wasnt intimidated.

Roy beat Ruiz I never said he didnt, but he should have taken the mandatory defense/rematch and been a true hw champ.

i cant believe im actually agreeing with something the pretender is saying but he nailed it with this post.

[josenoway]

Honestly, the real reason why there was no rematch was because the money wasn't there, very few people if any wanted to see Jones fight Ruiz again, the first fight was lopsided, and Jones already made history with the victory. Boxing is all about the $$.

[Tarver is my dad]

i cant believe im actually agreeing with something the pretender is saying but he nailed it with this post.

yea me too...

[BadMagick]

Honestly, the real reason why there was no rematch was because the money wasn't there, very few people if any wanted to see Jones fight Ruiz again, the first fight was lopsided, and Jones already made history with the victory. Boxing is all about the $$.

Yeah. I would have liked to see Roy school Ruiz for another 12 rounds, but that's because Roy is my favorite fighter.

On Tarver and Johnson, both of those men owe their careers and lives to Jones. If Jones didn't fight Tarver, or beat him by more than he had, we wouldn't have seen a Jones-Tarver II. If Jones - Tarver II doesn't happen, Jones never gets KOed, and that means Johnson never gets a shot at Jones. If Jones wins Jones - Tarver II, which he very well could have, we don't see a Jones - Johnson, if we do, not in the same fashion that we did see. Those two should give Roy a portion of their paydays for making them what they are today.

[Bad Intentions]

See I can agree with that because Tarver was really still a nobody at that point. Roy was a legend and didnt have to step down in weight to face him to prove a point. Roy's pride was his downfall...now Tarver's career is built on that one single punch. And like Tyson's defeats by Douglas/Holy, that whole intimidation factor and invincible aura is now gone for Jones so every fighter he faced will no longer see him as someone who cant be beat. Thats why Glen wasnt intimidated.

Roy beat Ruiz I never said he didnt, but he should have taken the mandatory defense/rematch and been a true hw champ.

I agree about the Tartver thingie, I would have rather seen Roy get KOed by Ruiz sadley, only because hes a heavywieght and no one woulda really made a big deal about it,

[SnoopySmurf]

Still no answer about why Ruiz lost to RJJ.

I think it's simple : Ruiz sucks.

[The Pretender]

Still no answer about why Ruiz lost to RJJ.

I think it's simple : Ruiz sucks.

Oh what brilliant logic! Let's extend it further:

Why Roy lost to Tarver and Johnson?

I think it's simple: Roy sucks.

SnoopySmurf needs to go back to the cartoon network.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Skipping most of the garbage upstairs..

RJJ, only wanted to prove that he can become a HW champion. And he did just that by picking on the worst champ of all times (RUIZ)
Even before the fight RJJ announced that he will most likely not stay at the HW. He vacated the belt to go back to Light HW to keep his belts.

Why would he stay in HW and beat the bum Ruiz again? There was no money in the rematch and he knew he cant take on the big dogs.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Oh what brilliant logic! Let's extend it further:

Why Roy lost to Tarver and Johnson?

I think it's simple: Roy sucks.

SnoopySmurf needs to go back to the cartoon network.

You are so right!

So what does it say about Ruiz who lost, let me see..
112-116 | 110-118 | 111-117 DUH!

[paul750]

Skipping most of the garbage upstairs..

RJJ, only wanted to prove that he can become a HW champion. And he did just that by picking on the worst champ of all times (RUIZ)
Even before the fight RJJ announced that he will most likely not stay at the HW. He vacated the belt to go back to Light HW to keep his belts.

Why would he stay in HW and beat the bum Ruiz again? There was no money in the rematch and he knew he cant take on the big dogs.

yes i think thats true, jones wouldn't have stepped up to heavyweight if all the title holders had of been strong champions, he seen a weak link in the division and he exposed it, i don't think there's anyway he would of beaten the likes of lewis and klitshko, and he probbably knew it.