When you move up in weight you lose power?!

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  • Xyei
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    #11
    It depends on the fighter IMO. Some guys can carry power up in weight classes very well. Tommy Hearns for example. I'd say he carried his power very well as he went up in weight.

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    • Xyei
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      #12
      Originally posted by ModernTalking
      Not if you're an extraordinary fighter like Pacquiao, only if you're a ordinary fighter like Mayweather.
      You're a fucking ****** if you consider Floyd an ordinary fighter. Like him or not, he's one of the most skilled boxers the sport has seen in the last 10 years.

      What a clown.

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      • fabie
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        #13
        Originally posted by 1toTHADOME
        i've always thought you gain it or at least carry it. correct me if im wrong, but the heavier, the harder, right?
        We can only generalize because everyone is unique and different.

        The generalization that holds true for much of us is that, when you gain weight:

        • you lose speed (very logical), the more mass, the more to carry
        • you lose quickness and mobility, (very logical) which stems from the above
        • your power retains but would be less than the natural power from that new weight level
        • your power can (keyword) increase due to more mass and momentum but the lack of speed can also take away some of that power

        Losing weight can be the opposite of all of the above:

        • you gain speed
        • you gain quickness and mobility
        • you lose power
        • you can also gain power to less mass meaning faster which adds to momentum but the lack of mass can also take away some of that power


        So these are the generalities but depending on the fighter's physique, his attributes, mental attributes, diet, work out and then some.

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        • 1toTHADOME
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          #14
          Originally posted by fabie
          We can only generalize because everyone is unique and different.

          The generalization that holds true for much of us is that, when you gain weight:

          • you lose speed (very logical), the more mass, the more to carry
          • you lose quickness and mobility, (very logical) which stems from the above
          • your power retains but would be less than the natural power from that new weight level
          • your power can (keyword) increase due to more mass and momentum but the lack of speed can also take away some of that power

          Losing weight can be the opposite of all of the above:

          • you gain speed
          • you gain quickness and mobility
          • you lose power
          • you can also gain power to less mass meaning faster which adds to momentum but the lack of mass can also take away some of that power


          So these are the generalities but depending on the fighter's physique, his attributes, mental attributes, diet, work out and then some.
          alright nice logic. so you do gain power. i believe pacquiao took his speed all the way up with him so that means more power, right?

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          • jayblack
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            #15
            I personally can't think of a fighter in history that carried his same power up in weight, except Pac. This is the reason why so much PED speculation surrounds him.

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            • 1toTHADOME
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              #16
              Originally posted by jayblack
              I personally can't think of a fighter in history that carried his same power up in weight, except Pac. This is the reason why so much PED speculation surrounds him.
              are you a *****? or a big fan on floyd?

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              • 1toTHADOME
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                #17


                with the work rate he has always had, is it hard to say pacquiao couldn't carry his power and speed?

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                • STREET CLEANER
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by fabie
                  We can only generalize because everyone is unique and different.

                  The generalization that holds true for much of us is that, when you gain weight:

                  • you lose speed (very logical), the more mass, the more to carry
                  • you lose quickness and mobility, (very logical) which stems from the above
                  • your power retains but would be less than the natural power from that new weight level
                  • your power can (keyword) increase due to more mass and momentum but the lack of speed can also take away some of that power

                  Losing weight can be the opposite of all of the above:

                  • you gain speed
                  • you gain quickness and mobility
                  • you lose power
                  • you can also gain power to less mass meaning faster which adds to momentum but the lack of mass can also take away some of that power


                  So these are the generalities but depending on the fighter's physique, his attributes, mental attributes, diet, work out and then some.
                  True to a point and hard to gauge, it is on a person to person basis. Some gain weigth some can leverage that power effectively, some are artificially fighting in a lower weight, some are fighting in a higher wait cause of improper diet or wrong trainning habits, etc.

                  There is not one formula that works, everybody is different but at the most part fighting bigger foes makes it even more difficult to gauge
                  Last edited by STREET CLEANER; 03-11-2010, 01:39 PM.

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                  • smith_oli
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                    #19
                    The fighters' technique also plays a part in it, if they're up on their toes a lot they wont generate much power. Sitting down on punches and generating twist obviously gives more power.

                    As some fighters move up the scale they may start sitting down on the punches more.

                    Part of it may be caused by fatigue, as already mentioned, it takes more energy to shift more weight, hence bouncing around and fleet footedness is reduced.

                    There are of course other reasons and it can be extremely fighter specific, some just react differently to the weight or adopt different styles to suit.

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                    • Bennett
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                      Its all depends on your body type and how your body reacts to it.

                      So people lose, speed and power others gains. Its all depends
                      name me one fighter thats hit harder in higher divisions? Can;t use Pac cuz their cherry picken. Feel free to name some names.

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