Boxing is all about styles, but aint no style is gonna beat PAC !!

[fabie]

I see Pacquiao's improvements with his right hand,but his weaknesses are still there.His workrate and habits have been essentially the same.He really hasn't made a vast or dramatic change like is being mentioned.A lot of people are making it sound as if he is a completely changed fighter-I just don't see it-perhaps if he went in against a different style of opponent,it may prove what you are saying.
His opponents,however,have been questionable.I think Joshua Clottey is probably more legitimate than Cotto,Hatton,and Oscar by a bit.I say this because he has not been weight drained,damaged (he is similar in that he plods at times,has a come-forward style and needs to plant his feet when he throws a punch...it is something most people will be disadvantaged in a fight with Pacquiao) and actually has a right hand. It is actually a step up compared to his previous mentioned opponents.Now saying all this,Clottey is not the "cream of the crop".I think Floyd,Shane,and a few others around the weight could give Manny a better test than the recent opponents that have been picked.

There's no doubt that Floyd and Shane could give Manny a better test, I am not counting against that. Just the miniscule assessment of Manny's evolution of a fighter that he is now.

I think that yes, he is still hittable but in his every fight, he has improved....and dramatically. Thus I wanted those skills to be tested by the end of the year.

The only difference is that you don't see Floyd and Shane on their decline while Pacquiao is still on the rise or on his peak. That doesn't take away from Floyd and Shane whom I rever with their style of fighting. I still consider both technically awesome fighters.

But to see a lesser Pacquiao now shows your mettle that you just "hate" him.

I refuse to let emotions govern my thinking and I think that there's more than a reason for either Floyd or Shane for a big showdown for the end of the year.

As a pugilist fan, first and foremost – I would like to see contrasting styles.

[damned1974]

The point was that a broken down man which footwork wasn't his game was frustrating Pac. A fighter with footwork and speed that is his style would create a huge challenge

That is funny you mention this...When Cotto was on the back foot,I noticed Manny had little success...and it was against someone who didn't fight defensive,was worn out and slow, didn't use much timing,or a right hand either.I believe it would cause all kinds of fits for Manny.The longer Manny gets accustom to fighting one kind of style with limitations, no right hand,and catch-weights,then the harder it will be when he is up against someone who possesses unique skills...

[Pullcounter]

That is funny you mention this...When Cotto was on the back foot,I noticed Manny had little success...and it was against someone who didn't fight defensive,was worn out and slow, didn't use much timing,or a right hand either.I believe it would cause all kinds of fits for Manny.The longer Manny gets accustom to fighting one kind of style with limitations, no right hand,and catch-weights,then the harder it will be when he is up against someone who possesses unique skills...

yeah, but while cotto was backpedaling pac won every round.

[Living Legend]

True story.

Bull****, a good jab, speed and footwork will beat Pacquaio...you cannot wait on pacquaio you have to bring the fight to him and keep him spinning, allow him to dip in and out and dictate the pace, will surely get you knocked out...

[damned1974]

There's no doubt that Floyd and Shane could give Manny a better test, I am not counting against that. Just the miniscule assessment of Manny's evolution of a fighter that he is now.

I think that yes, he is still hittable but in his every fight, he has improved....and dramatically. Thus I wanted those skills to be tested by the end of the year.

The only difference is that you don't see Floyd and Shane on their decline while Pacquiao is still on the rise or on his peak. That doesn't take away from Floyd and Shane whom I rever with their style of fighting. I still consider both technically awesome fighters.

But to see a lesser Pacquiao now shows your mettle that you just "hate" him.

I refuse to let emotions govern my thinking and I think that there's more than a reason for either Floyd or Shane for a big showdown for the end of the year.

As a pugilist fan, first and foremost – I would like to see contrasting styles.

Come on man-I don't hate Manny.I have bought a few of his fights.I just don't have the same infatuation for him that some people on here do.
It is bizarre that you say I don't believe Floyd or Shane are declining...I have never mentioned my thoughts on that in either direction...hard for you to make this assumption.
Also-lets keep it realistic-I have not said Pacquiao has regressed...I said previously that he has developed his right hand more.His basic foundation however has been similar-he is purely offense,and hasn't honed his defense. It is not as if he has went from being an offensive fighter to being a defensive wizard-it is simply not a very dramatic change that you suggest.
His opponents,I feel, are a reason why he shines-it is their limitations, weaknesses,habits,etc which is why they have been chosen in the first place.There have been tougher challenges in each recent weight division that his team have neglected to put him up against.Until he faces the best,it is hard to say he is the best...isn't that what people have critisized other boxers for?

[MoneyMayMafia]

guess this doesnt apply to JMM

[damned1974]

yeah, but while cotto was backpedaling pac won every round.

Sigh...that is not the point I am agreeing with.Manny was having less success asserting his offense.He was winning-yes,but at that point Cotto was already torn up and didn't apply head defense with footwork.It would be interesting if you added a back-foot movement with good upper defense and countering skills.

If moving backwards can put off his punch output and offense,then the chance is good he can get countered easy. It takes away Manny's offense and output.

[Pullcounter]

jmm lost 2x

[Pullcounter]

Sigh...that is not the point I am agreeing with.Manny was having less success asserting his offense.He was winning-yes,but at that point Cotto was already torn up and didn't apply head defense with footwork.It would be interesting if you added a back-foot movement with good upper defense and countering skills.
If moving backwards can put off his punch output and offense,then the chance is good he can get countered easy. It takes away Manny's offense and output.

this is basic... if someone runs, it limits the exchanges.

this happens to everyone, not just pac.

[fabie]

jmm lost 2x

and was downed 4X.