So who'll say Chambers is a bum if Wlad beats him?

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  • Pirao
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    #11
    Originally posted by QUELOQUE
    Why do you guys try to pump up Klitschko's competition? The heavyweight division is **** right now and has been for a while.

    There's a ton of people using revisionist history, but Klitschko's are beating on cans. It would be the equivalent of Pavlik dominating the garbage middleweight division, fighting everyone, but Williams.

    Pavlik easily beat Marco Antonio Rubio, who was in the top 10, not too long ago. Buddy McGirt Jr. was a top 10 middleweight not too long ago. How much credit should he get for being at the top of 160 for 2+ years?
    Weren't you saying that Arreola had a good chance of beating Vitali? That didn't work too well for you, did it...

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    • Marcov
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      #12
      I refuse to use the word "bum" when discussing any boxer but,

      Chambers is more deserving than many recent challengers for the belt holders. But this fight has mis-match in the subtitle just the same. The fighter that presents a threat to Wladimir is against a puncher with endurance. Chambers presents no such threat. Wladimir in my opinion will get credit for another easy title defense but not much more.

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      • The Guru_
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        #13
        Another easy nights work for Wlad. Povetkins ***** just aint that good.

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        • Killa Killa
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          #14
          Eddie is solid...his biggest problem will be size and power...

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          • Pirao
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            #15
            Originally posted by Marcov
            I refuse to use the word "bum" when discussing any boxer but,

            Chambers is more deserving than many recent challengers for the belt holders. But this fight has mis-match in the subtitle just the same. The fighter that presents a threat to Wladimir is against a puncher with endurance. Chambers presents no such threat. Wladimir in my opinion will get credit for another easy title defense but not much more.
            So, what are you saying, that Wlad should go out of his way to fight punchers even if they are not deserving? Sorry but that makes no sense at all, if guys like Tua, Briggs, Peter and other big punchers are good enough to fight Wlad, they should have no trouble working their way up as Chambers did.

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            • Chuckguy
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              #16
              Originally posted by Pirao
              After every Klitschko fight it's the same, every opponent that before the fight had a chance to win, suddenly becomes a bum who would get KOd by "Insert name of the next guy in line here". So, will you give props to Wlad if he beats Chambers, or will you call him just another bum?
              I dont like either Klit and I still think chambers is a bum
              before and after the fight
              but sadly that is the HW division
              its not the Klits fault their division sucks

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              • Mr.Crust
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                #17
                He isnt a bum,he is just an ok heavyweight. Being the best of a bad bunch doesnt really elevate your status.

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                • Heru
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Pirao
                  Weren't you saying that Arreola had a good chance of beating Vitali? That didn't work too well for you, did it...
                  Yeah, but he didn't get knocked out in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th, like most were predicting either.

                  Vitali had to run (literally) a few times to escape an Arreola that was closing in on him against the ropes.

                  Vitali gets credit from me for Arreola though. Arreola's a better fighter than people give him credit for (if he wasn't grossly fat, it wouldn't be deserved). If we go down the list of quality opponents the Klits have beaten, it wouldn't be too long.

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                  • Marcov
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Pirao
                    So, what are you saying, that Wlad should go out of his way to fight punchers even if they are not deserving? Sorry but that makes no sense at all, if guys like Tua, Briggs, Peter and other big punchers are good enough to fight Wlad, they should have no trouble working their way up as Chambers did.
                    I'm not saying Wlad should go out of way to fight punchers that are not deserving, I'm saying Wlad is matched carefully so punchers are not on the menu!
                    It's not his fault and Wlad is a deserving champion. But his camp(Steward etc) are wise in the fact they match him according to his strengths and weaknesses. What camp doesn't do this in boxing these days? If guys like Peter and even Arreola are undeserving, why are they steered towards Vitali for title fights?
                    The heavyweight champions are not exclusive in this, it is a product of the times. Most fighters today are "matched wisely" Promoters, investors and managers protect their investment. I don't blame Wlad, I blame the muliple titles and bogus(and profitible) sanctioning bodies for making so easy.

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                    • Pirao
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by QUELOQUE
                      Yeah, but he didn't get knocked out in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th, like most were predicting either.

                      Vitali had to run (literally) a few times to escape an Arreola that was closing in on him against the ropes.

                      Vitali gets credit from me for Arreola though. Arreola's a better fighter than people give him credit for (if he wasn't grossly fat, it wouldn't be deserved). If we go down the list of quality opponents the Klits have beaten, it wouldn't be too long.
                      Yeah, he ran while beating Arreola's face to a pulp.

                      World champions beat by the Klits (current, past or future):

                      Wlad: Chagaev, Rahman, Ibragimov, Brewster, Byrd x2, Peter, Mercer
                      Vitali: Gomez, Peter, Sanders, Hide

                      Plus all the top challengers at the time they've defeated, so yeah...

                      I give credit to Arreola, he came to fight and tried his best, unlike some others we know.
                      Last edited by Pirao; 03-02-2010, 04:46 PM.

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