Ice's random results section...

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

On August 6, 1983 at the Pan-American games Box-off in St. Louis you had Michael Nunn, Virgil Hill and Evander Holyfield all losing that day to Dennis Milton, Michael Grogan and Ricky Womack respectively. (Holyfield defeated Womack the following day to make the team)

1994 National Golden Gloves: Derrick Jefferson beat both Michael Grant and Lawrence Clay-Bey by decision.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I was there when Roy Jones beat Thomas "Ice-T" Tate in Omaha in 1988...

[DLT]

Man this is a beast thread. Yo Ice, keep us up to dates on the kids youve seen recently in the ams. Like tell us who you see out there the last couple of years that you think could be a champ or a top 10 P4P guy

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Roy Jones scored decisions over future professional contenders and champions Derrick "Poppy Too Sweet" Rolon, NABF middleweight champion Fabian Williams, WBO junior middleweight champion Verno Phillips, Thomas Tate, Ray McElroy, WBC 168 pound champion Richie Woodhall of England (in the 88' Olympics) and Frank Liles (twice). RJ also lost decisions to Liles and Gerald McClellan.

McClellan beat Tim Littles in the finals of the 1987 U.S. national championships and defeated Roy Jones in the 1988 National Golden Gloves while losing (in other tournaments) to Thomas Tate, Frank Liles and, more than once, to Ray McElroy. Tim Littles lost three times to Liles (As pros they split two bouts) while defeating Michael Moorer twice and Antoine Byrd once at the 1985 Eastern Trials. Tim also defeated future world title challenger Dan Schommer at a mid 80's national tournament (Schommer himself had defeated the very formidable Bomani Parker in an earlier amateur event). Liles, meanwhile, defeated the likes of Jones, McClellan and Littles as an amateur. He also lost to Roy twice in subsequent rematches. It's kind of funny to think Liles defeated three powerhouses at 156 like Roy, Tim and Gerald while in 1987, at 147 pounds, he was outpointed pretty convincingly by the light punching welterweight Kenny Gould.

The Amateur Boxer, May 1987. U.S. Championships results:
"147 pounds. Frank Liles said after his match with Gould" "I just had an off day. I felt really sluggish." Well, Frank, even a g***** might feel sluggish around Kenneth."

156 pounds: Timothy Littles of Flint is a pretty boxer but a round and a half of Gerald McClellan's straight on, no nonsense hard punching took away his cuteness and his legs. Littles impressed with his boxing skills but he eventually wilted against McClellan's murderous punching."

[Porter's Dad]

Iceman > Iceta.

Beautiful thread.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Future IBF cruiserweight champion Al "Ice" Cole beat Michael Moorer once at 165 pounds and won one of three bouts at 178 with 1988 Olympic Gold Medalist Andrew Maynard. Cole also beat Bomani Parker in the 1988 Olympic Trials at 178 but lost in earlier competitions to the spectacular amateur trio of 165 pound stars Darin Allen, William Guthrie (he actually did defeat Guthrie once in three or four tries) and Anthony Hembrick. Also at 165 pounds, Cole defeated future WBO title challenger (to Chris Eubanks) Dan Schommer and future WBO 175 pound champion Leonzer Barber.

In a fight that most true boxing fans are aware of, Lennox Lewis won his 1988 Olympic Gold Medal with a championship night stoppage victory over fellow future heavyweight champion Rid**** "Big Daddy" Bowe in Seoul, South Korea. In one that they might not be aware of, 1984 Olympic gold medalist Tyrell Biggs defeated Lennox on the way to the title at the Los Angeles games that year

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Henry Maske, meanwhile, defeated future professional foe Graciano Roccigianni in a 1981 German amateur bout. Maske also defeated future NABF light heavyweight champion Egerton Marcus in the 1888 Olympic gold medal match and later on, as professionals, Henry would defeat both of them on twelve round decisions.

"Sugar" Shane Mosley won a decision over Stevie Johnston at the 1989 U.S. Championships. Shane also won a decision over Oscar DelaHoya when they were twelve or thirteen years old.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

RANDOM OHIO STATE FAIR Results:
In another chapter of this book I discuss the Ohio State Fair tournament that is held each summer out in Columbus. As I explain in that chapter, the Ohio Fair has drawn some of the biggest names in boxing to its tournament and, as a result, there have been some pretty interesting results that came from the thousands of matches held there through the years.

In 1973, for example, there was a 95 pound Junior Olympian (aged 12 years) in the tournament by the name of James Douglas (Or "Buster" as he is known to the world). Also in 1973 the 75 pound intermediate champion was none other than future (1984) Olympic Gold medalist Jerry Page of Columbus. Page defeated Daryl Churchill in the finals back in 1973 and then, eleven years later, went on to win his gold at 139 pounds in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympiad (along with Breland, Whitaker, Taylor and the others).

The 132 pound class in 1973 saw future world champions Hilmer Kenty and Aaron Pryor match up in the finals with Kenty taking a decision victory. One class up, at 139, Sugar Ray Leonard stopped Larry Morgan and the welterweight class saw Columbus' Ohio State Fair legend Milton "Pete" Seward score a finals night decision over future WBC Light heavy champ J.B. Williamson.

Note: rsc = referee stops contest. The amateur equivalent of a TKO.

1973 Finals:
132: Hilmer Kenty dec. Aaron Pryor
147: Pete Seward dec. J.B. Williamson`
1975 Prelims:
70: Calvin Christianson dec. Stevie McCrory
125: Tommy Hearns dec. Bruce Williams
125: Tommy Hearns dec. Ray Johnson
147: Milton Seward dec. Odell Leonard
1975 FINALS:
125: Mike Johnson dec. Thomas Hearns, (J.O.)
156: Tony Tucker dec Mickey Goodwin (JO)
165: Lindell Holmes dec. Ray Kates
Hvwt: Tony Tubbs dec. Lamar Robinson

1977 Open Class Finals:
119: Carmelo Negron dec. Joe Louis Manley
125: Daryl Fuller dec. Jimmy Paul
132: Anthony Fletcher rsc Gregory Winston
147: Bernard "Superbad" Mayes rsc (on cuts) Kevin Rooney
(Teddy Atlas was in Rooney's corner for this tournament)
165: Lindell Holmes dec. Randy Smith
(I sparred with future world champion Lindell in 1991 and I fought Smith in 1991, too, winning a 10 round unanimous decision)
178: Mark Frazee dec. Leroy Murphy
Heavy: Tony Tubbs, dec. Phillip Brown
(The 1977 "Outstanding open class boxer'"award winner is Bernard "Superbad" Mayes)
1977 Senior Div JO Finals:
106: Arnie Wells, Detroit dec. Robert "Bam Bam" Hines, Philadelphia
119: Milton "Iceman" McCrory, Detroit dec. Dean Clark, Washington D.C.
1977 Open and JO prelim results:
119: Jackie Beard dec. Jerry Page
178: Lee Roy Murphy dec. Tony "TNT" Tucker
Hvwt: Phillip Brown dec. Renaldo "MR." Snipes
165: Lindell Holmes dec. Mickey Goodwin
147: Kevin Rooney dec. Davey Moore, Bronx, NY
147: Phillip Gaines dec. Bobby Czyz
119: Milton McCrory dec. Joe Walker
119: Milton McCrory dec. Carlos Johnson
80: Tommy Ayers dec. Floyd Favors
85: Stevie McCrory dec. Troy "Schoolboy" Wortham

1980 Random results, JO and Open:
80: Les Johnson, Maryland dec. Montell Griffin, Chicago
65: Jemal Hinton, Maryland dec. Carl Griffith, Ohio
106: Anthony Hembrick, Detroit dec. Robert Myatt
156: James "Hard Rock" Green dec. Ray Bryant

1981 OPEN FINALS:
132: Charlie "White Lightning" Brown dec. Darrick Hudson DQ
139: Jerry Page dec. Chauncey Jackson
147: Louis Howard dec. Frank Tate
+201: Jesse "Boogieman" Ferguson dec. Warren Thompson

1980 Senior JO Finals:
95: Obie Beard dec. Todd Hickman
119: Jonas Grice dec. Vincent Pettway
65: Sharmba Mitchell dec. Ronald Barret
90: Chris Byrd dec. Terrel Nelson
1980: Semifinals, Junior Olympic class:
90: James Harris dec. Kennedy McKinney
(Harris is the brother of Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson)
1980: Open class Semifinals:

132: Charlie "White Lightning" Brown rsc Anthony Haskins
(Haskins was a 6ft. 2 lightweight)
147: Frank Tate dec. Michael Nunn

1982 Open Finals:
125: Lamont Buchanan rsc Anthony Hembrick
156: Frank Tate dec. Kevin Laird
178: Ricky Womack dec. Jerry Goff
(Jerry Goff just couldn't catch a break at the Ohio Fair. Here in 82' he meets up with the killer that was Womack and then one year later, at 201, he runs smack dab into Mike Tyson)
1982 Junior Division Finals:
70: Sharmba Mitchell dec. Saul Dorsey
1982 Open Semi's:
125: Anthony Hembrick dec. George Green
(Here in 1982 Anthony Hembrick was a 125 pound featherweight while Darin Allen was a 156 pound light middleweight. Six year later they would be each others chief rival at 165 lbs. I wonder if, back here in 1982, if they were even aware of each other?)
139: Roderick Moore rsc David Turner
156: Frank Tate dec. Darin Allen
178: Ricky Womack rsc Jerry Harris.
1982 Open Quarterfinals:
125: Anthony Hembrick dec. Clifford Jacobs
1982 Open prelims:
125: Anthony Hembrick dec. Mickey Sampson
156: Frank Tate rsc Kevin Corcoran
156: Darin Allen dec. George McCallister
156: Darin Allen dec. Tony Briseno

1985 Open Semi-finals:
156: Cordell Steadman rsc Thomas Tate
165: William Guthrie dec. Kertis Mingo
165: Darin Allen dec. Paul McPeek
+201: Victory Barren W/O Oliver McCall
1985 preliminaries- All divisions:
106: Sharmba Mitchell dec. Aroz Gist
112: Oba Carr dec. Antonio Taste
165: Kertis Mingo dec. Teddy Walls
165: Darin Allen dec. Herman Delgado
165: Darin Allen dec. Leonzer Barber
165: Leonzer Barber dec. Willie Pollard
165: William Guthrie dec. Lorenzo Wright
165: Kertis Mingo dec. Donald Johnson

1986 Open Finals:
156 Tim Richards dec. Thomas Barnett
1986 JO Finals:
90: Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson, Washington D.C. dec. Anthony Nielems
139: Cleveland Nelson, Detroit, winner
1986 Prelim bouts:
95: Tim Austin, Cincinnati., Ohio dec. Janardo Howell
165: Lamar "Kid Fire" Parks, Greenville, S.C. dec. William Moore, Brooklyn, NY
(I defeated Lamar twice as an amateur later on but lost to Moore in 1983 as a 15 year old in just my second official fight ever)
165: William Moore, New York dec. Michael Peak, Louisville

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Later on in my professional boxing days, especially in the mid to late 1990's, I would take time off here and there to accompany local amateur kids to national tournaments and it was at these events that I got a sneak peak at some of today's more well known fighters. I often saw guys like Paul Spadafora (at the Ohio State Fair in the 1990's, winning a decision over a kid from my gym named Tony Wall), Anthony Hanshaw (who, coincidentally, I saw at the same Ohio State Fair tournament winning a decision over the same Anthony Wall who lost to Spadafora the year before), Ricardo Williams (winning a decision against Chad Dawson's older brother, Ricky, at the 1996 PAL tournament), Jermain Taylor, Calvin Brock and Lance Whitaker when they were amateurs.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Hard punching Venezuelan welterweight Engels Pedroza scored a victory in 1985 at 132 pounds over Joey Gamache in a USA-Venezuela duel meet. Gamache, meanwhile, scored a 1984 Olympic Trials victory over future lightweight contender Anthony "Baby" Jones.

The 1998 National Junior Olympic tournament saw future (2004) 201 pound Olympian Devin Vargas win a decision over future pro heavyweight prospect "Fast" Eddie Chambers in a 178 pound light heavyweight match.

In 1986 at the National PAL tournament in the 112 Junior Olympic division, future World Champion "Poison" Junior Jones won a semi-final decision over future world title challenger "Diamond" David Santos.

Future two-division World Champion Donald "Cobra" Curry defeated future WBA 154 pound champion Davey Moore in the 1980 Olympic Trials finals at 147 pounds. Moore advanced to the finals against Curry by winning a decision over future WBA 140 pound champion Gene "Mad Dog" Hatcher. Hatcher, meanwhile, gained the right to face Moore by winning the decision in a prelim fight against future WBA 160 pound champion John David Jackson.

The 1978 National AAU tournament saw Curry defeat future contenders Pedro Vilella and Bobby Joe Young on the way to the welterweight crown.