Ice's random results section...

[Mickey Gomez]

Scully your threads are a breath of fresh air in a stench filled **** pit.













But could you please not post in bold, it's hard to read!

[UnDeniable]

Damn that FW class was deep

Who is the best amateur boxer you've ever seen John?

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Damn that FW class was deep

Who is the best amateur boxer you've ever seen John?

So many good ones...Roy was a VERY impressive amateur...Arthur Palac was a very effective amateur at 165 (6 ft 4 southpaw)...Ricardo Williams...Michael Carbajal...maybe the best amateur ever that no one ever heard of, though, is (IMO) Cuba's Angel Espinosa...Angel was a MONSTER at every weight from 132 all the way to 165...

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

But could you please not post in bold, it's hard to read!

Really?? I have heard that before from people but for me it is EASIER to read for some reason...but for you I will stop

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

1984 Olympic gold medalist and future IBF middleweight champion Frant Tate had a hot rivalry with Canada's top 156 pounder, and future pro prospect, Sean O'Sullivan that lasted for a couple of years in the early 80's. Of the three matchups that I know of, Tate came away with two of the three victories. Their first fight saw O' Sullivan beat Tate at the 1983 North American Championships but then Tate reversed the verdict at the 1984 World Championship Challenge. Their last meeting was in the gold medal round of the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles and Tate came away with the decision and the gold.

Tate also defeated future WBA 160 pound champion John David Jackson, future NABF 160 pound champion Fabian Williams and four time NYC Golden Gloves champion Dennis Milton in 156 pound matches to win gold at the 1983 U.S. National championships in Colorado Springs and future WBA Middleweight Champion Reggie Johnson at the 1984 U.S. Olympic Trials.

Reggie tells me he lost a decision in his first ever national tournament, at age sixteen, to top rated Dennis Milton of The Bronx. Milton, on the other hand, also scored great amateur victories over future three-time world champion, and good friend, Iran Barkley in the 156 pound finals of the 1981 NYC Golden Gloves and Michael Nunn in a 156 pound fight back in 1983.

Kevin "The Flushing Flash" Kelley scored three decisions at 119 and 125 pounds over future top junior welterweight "Sucra" Ray Olivera.

[Mickey Gomez]

Really?? I have heard that before from people but for me it is EASIER to read for some reason...but for you I will stop

Thanks Broski!

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I am willing to bet that most of you have not heard of the late 1980's amateur super heavyweight named Robert Salters (boxing out of the U.S. Army) but I can assure that any top amateur from that era knows him, as I do, from his stoppage (referee stopped contest) of the heavily favored Rid**** Bowe at the 1988 U.S. Championships out in Colorado Springs.

I wonder if Marcus Johnson of Gary, Indiana realizes that the guy he beat by decision early in the 1994 U.S. Championships in the super heavyweight division was future WBC heavyweight champion Hasim "The Rock" Rahman??

Mike Johnson from Columbus, Ohio won a decision in the 125 pound finals over Thomas "Hitman" Hearns at the 1975 Ohio State Fair.

The New York City golden Gloves 147 pound novice finals from 1957 saw Charles Wormley out of the Salem-Crescent A.C. in Harlem (Sugar Ray Robinson's home gym) win a decision over future multiple world champion Emile Griffith, who was fighting out of the W 28th. Park Department at the time.

(Coincidentally, Griffith won the 1958 NYCGG welterweight title one year later in the open class with a finals night decision over Osvaldo Marcano of the Lynch Center PAL while one weight class up at 160 was where future world light heavyweight champion Jose Torres, fighting out of the Empire S.C., won a decision over William Picket of the Webb-Churchill PAL)

Mike Brown of Sagle, Idaho won a decision in the 132 pound finals of the 1986 National Junior Olympics over future heavyweight Champion Chris Byrd

Felix Nance was a journeyman professional boxer with an average record compiled against the likes of Kevin Rooney, Davey Moore and Pedro Vilella. His claim to fame, though, came as an amateur boxer in the late 1970's when he scored a one shot knockout over future Golden Gloves champion Marlon Starling at the Holyoke Boys Club in the Western Massachusetts Golden Gloves tournament.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

The 1990 New York City Golden Gloves tournament saw two future Roy Jones opponents match up in the 178 pound when Richard Frazier won a decision over future WBA 175 pound champion Lou "Honey Boy" Delvalle.

The 156 pound final of the 1984 National Golden Gloves championships saw future NABF 168 pound champ Ron Esset win a decision over future IBF light heavy champ William Guthrie

Sharmba Mitchell won the 1985 National Junior Olympics 106 pound title with a championship round decision over fellow future Champion Paulie Ayala.

The semi-finals of the 1988 U.S. Olympic Trials saw Rid**** Bowe win by second round disqualification over Lou Savarese. In that same tournament, at 201 pounds, Ray Mercer won a decision over Tommy Morrison

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

The 1971 New York City Golden Gloves tournament saw future light heavyweight champion Eddie Gregory (aka Eddie Mustapha Muhammad) win a decision over future middleweight champion Vito Antuefermo in the 147 pound final.

Rocky Marciano, as you all know, ended up 49 and ZERO as a professional champion. In the amateur ranks, though, at the Eastern Regional Golden Gloves tournament in 1948, he lost an opening bout decision to Coley Wallace of New York City, making Coley a famous footnote in the annals of boxing history along with at least two other men who reportedly beat the Rock (Bob Girard and Joe DiAngelis).

In his autobiography "Sugar Ray," Ray Robinson tells of an amateur bout that saw him lose a close decision to future professional contender Billy Graham.

Muhammad Ali (then,obviously, known as Cassius Clay) split a few childhood bouts at different weights and ages with fellow future heavyweight champion Jimmy Ellis back in the 1950's while another eventual 1960 gold medalist (and future M.D.), Wilbert "Skeeter" McClure, defeated Ellis in the finals of the 1960 U.S. Olympic Trials in the middleweight class.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Contender Results:
In a result that might be of interest to some boxing fans that have been keeping up with the NBC TV series "The Contender," at the 1998 USA Under-19 National Championships, in the 147 pound class, Miguel Espino (last seen on the "Contender" losing to Peter Manfredo Jr.) scored a championship night victory over future (and current) WBA regular welterweight champion Luis Collazo of New York.

What's very interesting about the show is the fact that, even though they never mentioned it, several of the guys on the show actually fought each other in the amateur ranks and were often together at national tournaments and, in some cases, they were even teammates on USA teams that fought internationally against other countries. For example, in July of 1999 a United States squad of amateurs faced off with a team from Korea and two of its members were future "Contenders," 147 pound Ishe Smith and 156 pound Sergio Mora.

NBC's "Contender" Champion Sergio Mora lost a decision at the 2000 U.S. Olympic trials to future undisputed middleweight champion Jermain Taylor (Taylor also defeated future -and now current- up and comer Kelly Pavlik by decision at those same 2000 Olympic Trials). Taylor also scored a victory in the amateurs over future Contender star Peter Manfredo.

The 1992 U.S. Championships saw Season 1 star Tarick Salmaci score decisions over Cleveland Corder and Ross "The Boss" Thompson before being eliminated while Season 2 star Nick Acevedo lost a decision to Bones Adams in the 119 pound class at the 1991 National Junior Olympic tournament that Clarence (bka Bones) captured gold at.

Zab "Super" Judah won the 1995 National PAL 139 pound title with victories over David Diaz, Hicklet Lau, Chantel Stanciel, Kimberlin Baine, and current "Contender" TV star Ishe Smith. Ishe also lost at the 1999 National PAL tournament on a preliminary round decision to future welterweight champion Luis Collazo.

Hector Camacho, Jr. won decisions over Ishe Smith at both the 1994 National Junior Olympics and the 1995 U.S. Championships.

In a very interesting occurrence, current up and coming prospect 154 pound Sechew Powell not only won decisions at the 1999 National PAL tournament over both "Contender" winner Sergio Mora and runner-up Peter Manfredo Jr. but Powell also defeated Contender star Miguel Espino at the 1997 U.S. Under-19 nationals.