Why is Oscar De La Hoya obsessed with Antonio Margarito?

[jrosales13]

In his three previous fights, it looked as if he had amazing power and he looked unstoppable. He was then caught with plaster in his wraps, before his last fight. The plaster was removed. He didn't hurt his opponent once. It doesn't take a genius to realize that his power was from the plaster. It does take a blind fan-boy to ignore common sense, however.

Answer me this: why would he try and use plaster against an old, past his prime fighter like Mosley, but not against a young, prime version of Cotto and/or Cintron.

I will answer you question. But, I want to say this so in you in the belief that he used plaster in both the Cintron fights or in the rematch? If he used it in both fights then why didn't he use it against Clottey and Williams? Since those two fights were sandwhich betweent the Cintron rematches. Or if he used in the rematch and not the first fight then you do realize that he KO'd Cintron quicker without it then when he did when he used it right?

Years before he even fought Cintron Margarito KO'd "Six Heads" Lewin in 2 rounds. Mayorga who is known as a heavy handed fighter stop "Six Heads" In what 5 or 6 rounds?

Like I said you probably never followed Margarito career. If you have you would know he had this type he had very hands since early in his career. Again you're talking about his last three opponents before Shane he looked unstoppable. But, he didn't have plaster in chin so he wasn't unstoppable and before those 3 opponents. Before he even fought Williams he fought Sebastian Lujan? Did you see that fight? Did you see what Margarito power did to Lujan ear?

So my point is that he showed power since early, very early in his career. That is why I asked you twice when do you believe he started using the plaster? Which you still haven't answered. All you said was that it is irrelevant. But, from this latest post I get the feeling you think it was after the P-Will lost. I am wrong please correct me.

But, to answer the Shane fight could of been the first time. And, here is why. After the Cotto fight Marg thought since Oscar said he will fight the winner that he was going to fight Oscar next. But, since Oscar straightout punked out of the fight. His next opponent was going to be a rematch with Joshua Clottey in November. However, since Clottey suffered an injury in the Zab Judah fight he was not medically cleared to fight in November. So now Margarito does not have a dancing partner for the rest of year. Now if you believe that reports that I read was that he was seen in the Mosley-Mayorga and got big and was fat... Out of shape. They said he got really out of shape. That is his fault. Then when the Shane fight got signed during training report was that he was getting handled by his sparring partners. Report has it that it was his worst next to the Joshua Clottey training camp of his career. Mind you for the Cotto fight everything went great. He was in great shape when he enter camp and was one of he best training camps of his career when he was preparing for Cotto. But, for Shane it was different. And, also they had a rematch with Cotto lined up if they beat Shane. I could see where Capetillo was not so happy with how camp went that he tried to cheat against Mosley. Just so they can get by in this fight and fight Cotto in another PPV event in the summer.

That right there is a theory on why he used it for Shane and not Cotto...

[Measy1749]

I will answer you question. But, I want to say this so in you in the belief that he used plaster in both the Cintron fights or in the rematch? If he used it in both fights then why didn't he use it against Clottey and Williams? Since those two fights were sandwhich betweent the Cintron rematches. Or if he used in the rematch and not the first fight then you do realize that he KO'd Cintron quicker without it then when he did when he used it right?

Years before he even fought Cintron Margarito KO'd "Six Heads" Lewin in 2 rounds. Mayorga who is known as a heavy handed fighter stop "Six Heads" In what 5 or 6 rounds?

Like I said you probably never followed Margarito career. If you have you would know he had this type he had very hands since early in his career. Again you're talking about his last three opponents before Shane he looked unstoppable. But, he didn't have plaster in chin so he wasn't unstoppable and before those 3 opponents. Before he even fought Williams he fought Sebastian Lujan? Did you see that fight? Did you see what Margarito power did to Lujan ear?

So my point is that he showed power since early, very early in his career. That is why I asked you twice when do you believe he started using the plaster? Which you still haven't answered. All you said was that it is irrelevant. But, from this latest post I get the feeling you think it was after the P-Will lost. I am wrong please correct me.

But, to answer the Shane fight could of been the first time. And, here is why. After the Cotto fight Marg thought since Oscar said he will fight the winner that he was going to fight Oscar next. But, since Oscar straightout punked out of the fight. His next opponent was going to be a rematch with Joshua Clottey in November. However, since Clottey suffered an injury in the Zab Judah fight he was not medically cleared to fight in November. So now Margarito does not have a dancing partner for the rest of year. Now if you believe that reports that I read was that he was seen in the Mosley-Mayorga and got big and was fat... Out of shape. They said he got really out of shape. That is his fault. Then when the Shane fight got signed during training report was that he was getting handled by his sparring partners. Report has it that it was his worst next to the Joshua Clottey training camp of his career. Mind you for the Cotto fight everything went great. He was in great shape when he enter camp and was one of he best training camps of his career when he was preparing for Cotto. But, for Shane it was different. And, also they had a rematch with Cotto lined up if they beat Shane. I could see where Capetillo was not so happy with how camp went that he tried to cheat against Mosley. Just so they can get by in this fight and fight Cotto in another PPV event in the summer.

That right there is a theory on why he used it for Shane and not Cotto...

cool theory, the problem is no one hs to believe he didnt cheat in the past because he's already been caught.if he's been caught ppl can believe whatever they want and no one can blame them. that is the big difference between wats goin on with margs and pac imo. pac never got caught cheating, even tho his actions may put su****ion on him i cant call him a cheater. margs is a cheater, ive uve cheated once, chances are uve cheated twice.

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I will answer you question. But, I want to say this so in you in the belief that he used plaster in both the Cintron fights or in the rematch? If he used it in both fights then why didn't he use it against Clottey and Williams? Since those two fights were sandwhich betweent the Cintron rematches. Or if he used in the rematch and not the first fight then you do realize that he KO'd Cintron quicker without it then when he did when he used it right?

Years before he even fought Cintron Margarito KO'd "Six Heads" Lewin in 2 rounds. Mayorga who is known as a heavy handed fighter stop "Six Heads" In what 5 or 6 rounds?

Like I said you probably never followed Margarito career. If you have you would know he had this type he had very hands since early in his career. Again you're talking about his last three opponents before Shane he looked unstoppable. But, he didn't have plaster in chin so he wasn't unstoppable and before those 3 opponents. Before he even fought Williams he fought Sebastian Lujan? Did you see that fight? Did you see what Margarito power did to Lujan ear?

So my point is that he showed power since early, very early in his career. That is why I asked you twice when do you believe he started using the plaster? Which you still haven't answered. All you said was that it is irrelevant. But, from this latest post I get the feeling you think it was after the P-Will lost. I am wrong please correct me.

It is irrelevant, due to the original topic at hand. The original topic was about him vs DLH right now. Not then. But now. So. if we're talking about now, we have to compare how he was in last few fights. Which is why I'm bringing up his last few fights.

Even if he did have the plaster wraps in his fights with Clottey and Williams, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna get knocked out. Williams is tough as nails, although he was hurt. Clottey is one of the toughest fighters in the sport, today.

I don't care how he was in his prime. I don't know the exact date in which he started using plaster wraps. I just know that he didn't use them in his last fight and he looked terrible.

But, to answer the Shane fight could of been the first time. And, here is why. After the Cotto fight Marg thought since Oscar said he will fight the winner that he was going to fight Oscar next. But, since Oscar straightout punked out of the fight. His next opponent was going to be a rematch with Joshua Clottey in November. However, since Clottey suffered an injury in the Zab Judah fight he was not medically cleared to fight in November. So now Margarito does not have a dancing partner for the rest of year. Now if you believe that reports that I read was that he was seen in the Mosley-Mayorga and got big and was fat... Out of shape. They said he got really out of shape. That is his fault. Then when the Shane fight got signed during training report was that he was getting handled by his sparring partners. Report has it that it was his worst next to the Joshua Clottey training camp of his career. Mind you for the Cotto fight everything went great. He was in great shape when he enter camp and was one of he best training camps of his career when he was preparing for Cotto. But, for Shane it was different. And, also they had a rematch with Cotto lined up if they beat Shane. I could see where Capetillo was not so happy with how camp went that he tried to cheat against Mosley. Just so they can get by in this fight and fight Cotto in another PPV event in the summer.

That right there is a theory on why he used it for Shane and not Cotto...

That's a terrible theory and one made up of a fan-boy. I'm sorry, but Margarito is a fraud.

MAYBE he did have that power in his prime. Whether or not he had it is irrelevant to how he'll be remembered. He'll be remembered as a fraud for attempting to use an illegal weapon against an opponent and there will be a question mark surrounding his whole career.

I'm done with this little debate. It's clear that you're very biased. You'd probably look up to Margarito, even if he admitted that he used plaster throughout his whole career.

[jrosales13]

cool theory, the problem is no one hs to believe he didnt cheat in the past because he's already been caught.if he's been caught ppl can believe whatever they want and no one can blame them. that is the big difference between wats goin on with margs and pac imo. pac never got caught cheating, even tho his actions may put su****ion on him i cant call him a cheater. margs is a cheater, ive uve cheated once, chances are uve cheated twice.

That is fine with me if that is what you believe. I just find it hard to believe that Margarito team was so smart and so slick that they fooled every top trainer, every commission, in every fight. I just don't see how they got away with it for so long? I understand how they could fool the CSAC just cuz they are idiots. But, to fool top commissions like the NSAC and NJSAC or top and knowledgable trainers like Emanuel Steward is mind boggling to me... But, it is in the past I could careless with or without plaster he had the power to beat Oscar De la Hoya...

[jrosales13]

It is irrelevant, due to the original topic at hand. The original topic was about him vs DLH right now. Not then. But now. So. if we're talking about now, we have to compare how he was in last few fights. Which is why I'm bringing up his last few fights.

Even if he did have the plaster wraps in his fights with Clottey and Williams, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna get knocked out. Williams is tough as nails, although he was hurt. Clottey is one of the toughest fighters in the sport, today.

I don't care how he was in his prime. I don't know the exact date in which he started using plaster wraps. I just know that he didn't use them in his last fight and he looked terrible.


That's a terrible theory and one made up of a fan-boy. I'm sorry, but Margarito is a fraud.

MAYBE he did have that power in his prime. Whether or not he had it is irrelevant to how he'll be remembered. He'll be remembered as a fraud for attempting to use an illegal weapon against an opponent and there will be a question mark surrounding his whole career.

I'm done with this little debate. It's clear that you're very biased. You'd probably look up to Margarito, even if he admitted that he used plaster throughout his whole career.

Fine you want to stay on topic. And, mentioned how Margarito looked in his last fight. Yet look at how Oscar looked in 4 for of his last 6 fights... Margarito beats the living the hell out of him. And, even Oscar knows it...

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You know how they say GBP is made up of staff who have beaten DLH.

Well Hoya wants a late 2010 fight with Margarito so he can get his bathroom plastered for 2011.

[Guest]

Fine you want to stay on topic. And, mentioned how Margarito looked in his last fight. Yet look at how Oscar looked in 4 for of his last 6 fights... Margarito beats the living the hell out of him. And, even Oscar knows it...

Oscar wanted none of that, that much is crystal clear.

[Count]

Fine you want to stay on topic. And, mentioned how Margarito looked in his last fight. Yet look at how Oscar looked in 4 for of his last 6 fights... Margarito beats the living the hell out of him. And, even Oscar knows it...

Why his last 6 fights? You think he's still the same version of how he was in 2004-2006? Let's just review his past 3 fights:

vs Pacquiao - Better not to use this as an example, since he was weight-drained. Until that fight, he hadn't fought in the welterweight division for 7 years.

vs Forbes - Forbes may not be an elite fighter, but DLH completely dominated the fight.

vs Mayweather - This fight was in the division that a fight between DLH and Margarito would happen at.

He went up against the #1 P4P fighter in the sport. Mayweather is one of the best pure boxers, in the last decade, and he still had a bit trouble with DLH. If DLH could give Mayweather some trouble, I'm sure he could give Margarito all he could handle.

[ILLuminato]

Oscar wants to fight him, but I don't think he will.

Plus, it must be easy to get frustrated at somebody when the first thing a google search on your name brings up is:

[Guest]

Why his last 6 fights? You think he's still the same version of how he was in 2004-2006? Let's just review his past 3 fights:

vs Pacquiao - Better not to use this as an example, since he was weight-drained. Until that fight, he hadn't fought in the welterweight division for 7 years.

vs Forbes - Forbes may not be an elite fighter, but DLH completely dominated the fight.

vs Mayweather - This fight was in the division that a fight between DLH and Margarito would happen at.

He went up against the #1 P4P fighter in the sport. Mayweather is one of the best pure boxers, in the last decade, and he still had a bit trouble with DLH. If DLH could give Mayweather some trouble, I'm sure he could give Margarito all he could handle.

None of those guys brought the pressure Margs would've brought.
Why do you think DLH backtracked when he said he'd fight the winner of Cotto-Margs when Margs won?

He knew damn well, he couldn't get into a war.