Comments Thread For: David Haye Believes John Ruiz Fight Will Be a War

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Why the hell is Ruiz still fighting? This is going to be another boring fight with Ruiz holding the entire fight. Haye is to strong and fast for Ruiz to fight him any other way. I was disappointed when I heard this would be hayes first defense, but like always we must wait for the good match ups.

[Dave Rado]

What I saw was that his hand did indeed have some swelling and unlike the broken hand I had it was quite mobile.

You didn't have a broken or fractured metatarsal. Haye's injury as shown in the video showed the classic symptoms of a metatarsal injury. You're confusing the metatarsal (which is a tiny bone at the base of each of the fingers) with the hand proper. It does not prevent the rest of your hand from being quite mobile. And it does not prevent you from punching, although it would make punching with full force very painful. It's one thing to have an honest opinion, but to desperately hang on to an opinion regardless of the factual evidence just shows you up as having an agenda (in this case, an anti-Haye agenda).

And the swelling that was on Haye's hand did in no way come close to resembling a balloon as many have stated.

"Balloon" is a big exaggeration, but his right was still massively swollen, whereas his left, which he had used far more than his right in the fight, wasn't swollen at all. To claim that despite that, he had no injury in his hand is just ridiculous, and lacks all credibility. The swelling in itself isn't proof of a break, but it is proof of an injury, and the type of swelling, and the way his fingers were bound, and all the other symptoms, were entirely consistent with a fractured metatarsal. Nothing you've stated about the fight proper is inconsistent with a metatarsal injury (as I said, you're confusing the metatarsal with the main hand bones when you claim otherwise).

When taken together with the fact that a London newspaper reported that the X-Ray results had confirmed a fractured metatarsal, no objective person could rationally argue that he didn't have a hand injury, and that it was very likely a fractured metatarsal.

[Dave Rado]

Haye's was not a one handed fighter and his right was not useless and I appreciate the fact that you helped to point that fact out.

Haye threw a far higher proportion of lefts relative to rights than he usually does, and after the second round, all of his really solid punches were lefts.

[S H A R K B O Y]

ruiz is no spring chicken. haye should knock this guy out or stop him.

[Ravens Fan]

Haye threw a far higher proportion of lefts relative to rights than he usually does, and after the second round, all of his really solid punches were lefts.

What I noticed was that Haye did not have a high proportion of either lefts or rights.

[lefthook2daliva]

It'll be ugly or boring or both and probably not much fun to watch. The uglier it is, the better chance Ruiz pulls the upset. The more boring, the better chance for Haye.

I'll take Haye by close UD.

[Dave Rado]

What I noticed was that Haye did not have a high proportion of either lefts or rights.

You're mixing up the word "proportion" with the word "number". He didn't throw a high number of either, but I wasn't talking about numbers, only about proportions of one relative to the other. Of those punches he did throw, a much higher percentage were lefts than is usual for him.

[Ravens Fan]

You're mixing up the word "proportion" with the word "number". He didn't throw a high number of either, but I wasn't talking about numbers, only about proportions of one relative to the other. Of those punches he did throw, a much higher percentage were lefts than is usual for him.

You can split hairs all day long but the fact is Haye did not throw many punches at all regardless of what proportions of lefts and rights there where. And in all honesty I don't even believe he did enough to win.

[Ravens Fan]

You didn't have a broken or fractured metatarsal. Haye's injury as shown in the video showed the classic symptoms of a metatarsal injury. You're confusing the metatarsal (which is a tiny bone at the base of each of the fingers) with the hand proper. It does not prevent the rest of your hand from being quite mobile. And it does not prevent you from punching, although it would make punching with full force very painful. It's one thing to have an honest opinion, but to desperately hang on to an opinion regardless of the factual evidence just shows you up as having an agenda (in this case, an anti-Haye agenda).



"Balloon" is a big exaggeration, but his right was still massively swollen, whereas his left, which he had used far more than his right in the fight, wasn't swollen at all. To claim that despite that, he had no injury in his hand is just ridiculous, and lacks all credibility. The swelling in itself isn't proof of a break, but it is proof of an injury, and the type of swelling, and the way his fingers were bound, and all the other symptoms, were entirely consistent with a fractured metatarsal. Nothing you've stated about the fight proper is inconsistent with a metatarsal injury (as I said, you're confusing the metatarsal with the main hand bones when you claim otherwise).

When taken together with the fact that a London newspaper reported that the X-Ray results had confirmed a fractured metatarsal, no objective person could rationally argue that he didn't have a hand injury, and that it was very likely a fractured metatarsal.

Ok, you have figured me out and I will admit that I am far from a Haye fan and therefore I am positive that I do have an agenda. But, I already thought that fact was pretty obvious. And I already made it clear that I am not a doctor and this is all my own opinion based on Haye's reaction in the ring. And the fact that I am not a fan of his does not change the fact that he did not react or act in anyway like a fighter who had any type of serious hand injuries. I will also admit that I have no other evidence other than his reaction and to me that is enough to base my personal opinion on. And unless you sat in on the examination of Haye's hand yourself, I believe that you know about as much as I do on the exact extent of his injury. And the fact that you stated the following, "that it was very likely a fractured metatarsal," leads me to believe you really have no idea whats wrong with Haye's hand. And if your going to base your opinion on the fact that his right hand was slightly swollen as compared to his left, because using the word massive is a bit of a stretch, I will counter by stating that Haye is not a Southpaw. And therefore I would believe that there is a good possibility that his power hand may be a little more swollen than his jabbing hand. Again I am no expert but that just sounds like a common sense call to me. And I also have to ask what is your factual evidence? What are the other symptoms you speak of? Because I may be confused but someone walking around with a few pieces of tape around his knuckles surely does not seem like sound medical evidence to me. But, than again as I already stated I am not a doctor.

I will say that I really have no idea and Haye may in fact have a broken hand but what I see tells me otherwise. And also the fact that he fought Round 1 exactly as he fought Round 12 leads me to believe that it was never in his game plan to trade with Valuev for what ever reason. And I will say in closing that I have learned that one should always take what Haye has to say with a grain of salt. So, I have no problem believing what so ever that he could possibly blow his hand injury way out of proportion to cover up the stink fest of fight that he was involved with.

[Dave Rado]

Ok, you have figured me out and I will admit that I am far from a Haye fan and therefore I am positive that I do have an agenda.

No, one does not follow from the other. You can dislike someone but still be objective about them, and I don't believe you're showing any objectivity at all.

And the fact that you stated the following, "that it was very likely a fractured metatarsal," leads me to believe you really have no idea whats wrong with Haye's hand.

The point is that I'm being objective. All the evidence is consistent with a fractured metatarsal. Anyone who is objective would admit that it is likely that that is what he had, while agreeing that it is possible but very unlikely that he had some other type of injury and not that.

And if your going to base your opinion on the fact that his right hand was slightly swollen as compared to his left, because using the word massive is a bit of a stretch

"Slightly" is a massive stretch. It was very swollen.

I will counter by stating that Haye is not a Southpaw. And therefore I would believe that there is a good possibility that his power hand may be a little more swollen than his jabbing hand.

Except that, after the second round, almost all of the power punches he threw were lefts. He barely threw a single solid right after the second. So that theory fails.

And I also have to ask what is your factual evidence? What are the other symptoms you speak of?

When you have a fractured metatarsal, you can still punch but can't hit with your full force. When you have a fractured metatarsal, they tape up your fingers in exactly the way his were taped up, and you don't need splints or plaster. When you have a fractured metatarsal, it heals on its own in a couple of months, as long as you don't mistreat it. When you have a fractured metatarsal, most of your hand can still be mobile, but you can't fully clench your fist. When you have a fractured metatarsal, your hand swells up in the way his was swollen. That doesn't prove he had one, but all the evidence is consistent with him having one. When you add the fact that a London newspaper reported that his X Ray results showed he had a fractured metatarsal, the evidence becomes too strong for anyone who is at all objective to say anything other than that it is very likely that that is what he had.

And also the fact that he fought Round 1 exactly as he fought Round 12 leads me to believe that it was never in his game plan to trade with Valuev for what ever reason.

I agree that he probably didn't plan to trade, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have thrown a lot more rights than he did if his hand hadn't been injured. I see no reason why even someone who doesn't like him wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt about that, if they were being objective about it.

So, I have no problem believing what so ever that he could possibly blow his hand injury way out of proportion to cover up the stink fest of fight that he was involved with.

Well I guess you've changed your position then, because at the start you were saying he didn't have a hand injury at all.