Comments Thread For: David Haye Believes John Ruiz Fight Will Be a War

[Ravens Fan]

He claims it was in the second round.

And his hand was extremely swollen - you can't be seriously claiming he had no injury to it at all.

Also, someone posted in another forum last November:

What I am stating is as I said, that he never once mentioned between rounds that he had hand problems. And for that matter between some later rounds his trainer is talking about him landing right hands and nothing is mentioned about it being hurt. Now, don't you think Haye would convey to his own corner that he was having hand problems? And to be honest I am not claiming anything I am just saying that the evidence says otherwise as compared to the countless other fights that I have seen where a fighter has had serious hand problems and I will stand by that. And if you want to believe it because you read it in another forum somewhere, well that is your choice. Personally I would want a little better source than another forum.

Ok, I gave David the benefit of the doubt so I went on You Tube and sure enough he was on there parading his supposed broken hand. And to be honest I still don't believe him. And the reason being was because I once broke my hand and guess what it hurt like hell and it swelled up and became huge. His hand may have had a little swelling but he was bending his fingers while making a fist saying he broke his hand and that is why he did not knock out Valuev. For me there was no bending my fingers and making a fist and I believe his slightly swollen hand is nothing more than a smoke screen. And the real reason he did not knock out Valuev is because he choose to run from him and make lame excuses for it after wards. In closing I will sate that I am no doctor and everyone's body may differ. But, again the evidence that I see does not point to a broken hand and I have already learned to not pay much attention to what Haye says because his comments are, as is the evidence of his supposed broken hand, less than reliable.

[Dave Rado]

What I am stating is as I said, that he never once mentioned between rounds that he had hand problems. And for that matter between some later rounds his trainer is talking about him landing right hands and nothing is mentioned about it being hurt. Now, don't think Haye would convey to his own corner that he was having hand problems? And to be honest I am not claiming anything I am just saying that the evidence says otherwise as compared to the countless other fights that I have seen where a fighter has had serious hand problems and I will stand by that. And if you want to believe it because you read it in another forum somewhere, well that is your choice. Personally I would want a little better source than another forum.

Did you watch the video I linked to? His hand was extremely swollen. If that wasn't due to an injury then you have a very strange definition of the word "injury".

And you think that the report in the London newspaper of his X Ray results were just made up?

As for what he said between rounds, the TV coverage doesn't record everything he said in every break.

And as for the seriousness of it, a fractured metacarpal is one of the less serious hand injuries one can have. You could still throw some punches with it, but not with full force.

[Earl-Hickey]

What I am stating is as I said, that he never once mentioned between rounds that he had hand problems. And for that matter between some later rounds his trainer is talking about him landing right hands and nothing is mentioned about it being hurt. Now, don't you think Haye would convey to his own corner that he was having hand problems? And to be honest I am not claiming anything I am just saying that the evidence says otherwise as compared to the countless other fights that I have seen where a fighter has had serious hand problems and I will stand by that. And if you want to believe it because you read it in another forum somewhere, well that is your choice. Personally I would want a little better source than another forum.

Words such as "pain" "lose" "hurt" are banned from any good corner, Haye put that **** to the back of his head and adjusted his gameplan, he didn't acknowledge it, because if he did, he would start feeling the pain.

[Ravens Fan]

Did you watch the video I linked to? His hand was extremely swollen. If that wasn't due to an injury then you have a very strange definition of the word "injury".

And you think that the report in the London newspaper of his X Ray results were just made up?

As for what he said between rounds, the TV coverage doesn't record everything he said in every break.

And as for the seriousness of it, a fractured metacarpal is one of the less serious hand injuries one can have. You could still throw some punches with it, but not with full force.

You are free to believe him I just don't. I honestly believe his hand injury was blown way out of proportion because he has in a stink fest.

[Ravens Fan]

Did you watch the video I linked to? His hand was extremely swollen. If that wasn't due to an injury then you have a very strange definition of the word "injury".

And you think that the report in the London newspaper of his X Ray results were just made up?

As for what he said between rounds, the TV coverage doesn't record everything he said in every break.

And as for the seriousness of it, a fractured metacarpal is one of the less serious hand injuries one can have. You could still throw some punches with it, but not with full force.

Have you ever seen a broken hand in person? His hand was hardly swollen and he was using it and bending it and showed no signs of the pain that come along with a broken hand. You can believe him but I don't have to.

[BetterCallSaul]

You are free to believe him I just don't. I honestly believe his hand injury was blown way out of proportion because he has in a stink fest.

The evidence is in the video. Unless you believe that Adam Booth took a brick to Haye's hand to make the hand injury look more authentic?

A broken hand is no joke. I have broken my hands multiple times on the punch bags. The injury renders your hand next to useless. You can carry on fighting, but you become a one handed boxer. It's impossible to look good with one hand.

[Ravens Fan]

Words such as "pain" "lose" "hurt" are banned from any good corner, Haye put that **** to the back of his head and adjusted his gameplan, he didn't acknowledge it, because if he did, he would start feeling the pain.

I have to ask how do you possibly know what was going on in Haye's head? And if you did know I am highly impressed and you should seriously think about starting one of them hotlines like Miss Cleo's. My point is that I have been watching boxing for the better part of 40 years and fighters regardless if they were tomato cans or world champions have always shown some signs if they they had serious hand problems. And I did not see or hear any evidence that Haye had any serious hand problems and I am free to form that opinion on the evidence that I see and you are free to disagree with my opinion but you will not change it.

[Earl-Hickey]

I have to ask how do you possibly know what was going on in Haye's head? And if you did know I am highly impressed and you should seriously think about starting one of them hotlines like Miss Cleo's. My point is that I have been watching boxing for the better part of 40 years and fighters regardless if they were tomato cans or world champions have always shown some signs if they they had serious hand problems. And I did not see or hear any evidence that Haye had any serious hand problems and I am free to form that opinion on the evidence that I see and you are free to disagree with my opinion but you will not change it.

Then at your age you should know better than to troll forums accusing fighters of "faking" injuries when his balloon sized hand was later shown on T.V.

What are you suggesting? that as well as lying he later got Adam Booth to hit his hand with a sledgehammer?

[Ravens Fan]

The evidence is in the video. Unless you believe that Adam Booth took a brick to Haye's hand to make the hand injury look more authentic?

A broken hand is no joke. I have broken my hands multiple times on the punch bags. The injury renders your hand next to useless. You can carry on fighting, but you become a one handed boxer. It's impossible to look good with one hand.

Haye's was not a one handed fighter and his right was not useless and I appreciate the fact that you helped to point that fact out.

[Ravens Fan]

Then at your age you should know better than to troll forums accusing fighters of "faking" injuries when his balloon sized hand was later shown on T.V.

What are you suggesting? that as well as lying he later got Adam Booth to hit his hand with a sledgehammer?

Trolling forums, what a laugh and you really need to come down off of your moral high horse because I have heard the oxygen is pretty thin up there. And I am not just on this forum spouting accusations I am simply forming an opinion on the evidence that I saw in the Haye-Valuev fight as compared to the countless other fights that I have watched. And if we did not share our differing opinions on this forum it would be a rather boring place, would it not? But, I do appreciate the fact that you take my opinions so serious. And I will say there is no doubt that Haye had some swelling in his hand. However, I believe it is very debatable on just how bad his hand was simply based on his actions in the ring. And the swelling that was on Haye's hand did in no way come close to resembling a balloon as many have stated. What I saw was that his hand did indeed have some swelling and unlike the broken hand I had it was quite mobile. And in case you haven't been paying attention swollen hands are pretty common in the sport of boxing. After all I recently read an article on how Vitali Klischko deals with his swollen hands by rapping his sons urine filled diapers around his swollen fist after his fights. In closing I will state that I am not a doctor and I very well may be wrong. However, the evidence that I see suggest otherwise. And if you don't like my opinion I suggest that you simply skip over what I write and go push your moral garbage onto someone else.