You guys are really undersestimating Clottey.

[The_Sneaky]

Clottey has a good chin, hes flat-footed and he doesnt throw many punches. I dont think thats underestimating him, its just stating the facts based on his previous fights.

True but he's doesn't square himself up and is almost always very balanced and his footwork gets him into attacking and defensive positions quickly.

He doesn't throw a lot of punches but he is very accurate with his punches and leaves little room or openings for his opponent to punch or counterpunch.

Low punch output is not a problem if you are very accurate. Floyd doesn't throw a ton of punches but his punches land more cleanly and accurately. He is often outhrown but hardly ever outlanded. Same for Clottey, he's been outlanded only once in his whole career and that when he was injured against a record throwing Margarito(1675 punches thrown to be specific). Even then he was comfortably and easily outlanding Margarito in the first 4 rounds before the hand injures.

Even though he has a good chin, he relies on blocking punches to prevent damage rather than taking punches to land punches.

He is as hard to land cleanly on as Mayweather but the styles of avoiding punches are different, Mayweather uses movement, agility and reflexes, Clottey just blocks with his forearms, elbows and gloves. He will be close and in your face and you still can't land cleanly on him.

He doesn't rely on speed alone in his offense or defense, rather on timing and technique. He uses his defense to set off his offense and he's always looking for an opening where he can hit without taking returning fire.

[Eaner0919]

I like haveing a lively debate so let continue. I said I see the fight more like Hopkins-de la Hoya.

Here are my reasons.
CLOTTEY
1. Clottey like Hopkins is bigger, has a longer reach and had been fighting at that weight for a long time.
2. Clottey like Hopkins has excellent defense
3. Clottey like Hopkins uses little movement
4. Clottey like Hopkins has low output but high accuracy
5. Clottey like Hopkins relied on timing and counterpunching
PAC
1. Pac like de la Hoya was the more popular favourite
2. Pac like de la Hoay was the much faster guy in terms of hand speed
3. Pac like de la Hoya had much faster feet and movement
4. Pac like de la Hoya throws in flurries and volume
5. Pac like de la Hoya was relying heavily on his speedy left hand

Now tell me why the fight is more like Pac-Cotto.

problems with this equation IMO

1. Clottey is no Hopkins in terms of ability to use the skills given to him
2. While Hopkins is indeed a man of little movement its very smart movement one to keep him in ideal position to his opponent. Clottey is still essentially a come forward fighter.
3. Hopkins defense sets up his offense by setting traps and exposing an opponent's willingness to extend. Clottey waits until his opponent is done then he counters back

1. de la Hoya had handspeed but it was more flurries and shoeshines. Manny's speed also comes with power added
2. de la Hoya's footwork isnt the best. He had some speed but it wasn't nearly as quick as what Manny's footspeed is. Manny can dart, Oscar cannot
3. DLH's speedy lefthand came from an orthodox right handed position meaning a jab and left hook so Hopkins was able to time him well. Manny's left hand is his money punch and he throws it as a lead, as a 1-2 and now as a hook to both the body and head

[El Castigador]

Ok Everybody enough of this Clottey ****. Stop hyping this dude up and acting like Pac aint gon beat the **** out of him. Please.

[fdotorres]

He will be there all the way, and will put up a competitive fight and do more damage than Pacquiaos last opponent. He will also use his technical skills that Pacquiaos last two opponents did not have, and will alsoput up a more entertaining and more competitive fight.

unless he uses his head to cut pac, he'll lose by shut out

he won't get as punished as cotto, ODLH or hatton, but he'll get shut out

[fdotorres]

Yo mellow, you think he will run like a woman and still gte KOed?

no, but i think that he'll make a million excuses after pac makes him look like an amateur. "oh oh! my hands broke (marg)! i had sex with my gf the day of the fight (cotto)! oh ho oh not fair i could beat him (everyone that beats him)!!"

remember, we're talking about a guy that lost to a KO'd, half blind, running woman. he even got dropped in the 1st round by one of her jabs

[The_Sneaky]

problems with this equation IMO

1. Clottey is no Hopkins in terms of ability to use the skills given to him
2. While Hopkins is indeed a man of little movement its very smart movement one to keep him in ideal position to his opponent. Clottey is still essentially a come forward fighter.
3. Hopkins defense sets up his offense by setting traps and exposing an opponent's willingness to extend. Clottey waits until his opponent is done then he counters back

1. de la Hoya had handspeed but it was more flurries and shoeshines. Manny's speed also comes with power added
2. de la Hoya's footwork isnt the best. He had some speed but it wasn't nearly as quick as what Manny's footspeed is. Manny can dart, Oscar cannot
3. DLH's speedy lefthand came from an orthodox right handed position meaning a jab and left hook so Hopkins was able to time him well. Manny's left hand is his money punch and he throws it as a lead, as a 1-2 and now as a hook to both the body and head

Good return.

Which attributes? He can lead with his right using straight, jabs, hooks uppercuts from within the guard. He can triple and quadruple his left hook. He keeps his guard up at all times. I'll give he can't set traps as good as Hopkins but that's about what Hopkins can do that he can't but he also is uses his defense to set off his offense.

Clottey's hand and footspeed are faster than Hopkins so in relative terms the difference between Pac-Clottey is similar to Hopkins-de la Hoya. And Clottey throws in combinations.

I do believe Clottey's movement is very controlled. He doesn't expend a lot of energy to get into offensive or defensive positions. He is a pressure fighter so moves forward often but he moves backwards when required. To the side or straight backwards. He can also spin around fighters to get in position. He can even box on his toes when required. He is always in position to launch his attack or defend against one.

He doesn't necessarily wait for an opponent to finish punching. He waits to get an opening. And that sometimes seems like he's waiting for his opponent to finish punching, but he does punch mid combination if he believes he can do that without taking return fire. His aim to inflict as much damage whiles taking as little as possible.

Clottey is right handed and leads with his right against southpaws. He has a stiff jab and can counter with straights, hooks and uppercuts using that right. He also ensures his footwork keep southpaws withing range of his straight right whiles prevent sideways movement of southpaws. So Pac's southpaw stance is not as big an advantage as it will seem. He completely controlled Alvarez and Judah to telling effect.

Clottey has a tighter more responsible defense than Hopkins.

If you go to the bulletin of boxing you'll see a nice article on what problems Clottey brings to Pac.

[Eaner0919]

wow where has this version of Clottey been?

[El Castigador]

wow where has this version of Clottey been?

Hes been losing every big fight.

[The_Sneaky]

Ok Everybody enough of this Clottey ****. Stop hyping this dude up and acting like Pac aint gon beat the **** out of him. Please.

What happens if this fight turns out like Pac-Marquez II? That was the same thing a lot of people were saying then before that fight. How Pac was going to knock out Marquez with his new skillset(right hand), foot and hand speed and power.

It's your prerogative to believe what you wish to, I for one believe Pac is being overhyped. Does that make me right? Not necessarily, it's just my opinion. Don't state yours as facts my friend.

Have you seen anybody 'beat the ****' out of Clottey before? I haven't but I have seen Pac been beaten up before.

I have never seen a speedy, fast-footed, powerful southpaw give Clottey problems before let alone beat him but I have seen a right handed counter puncher give Pac hell on more than one occasion so at least my opinion is built on some analysis of facts. I can mention two southpaws Clottey handled with ease recently(Alvarez, Judah) I can also name 4 right handed fighters that gave Pac hell(Marquez, Morales, Singsurat,Torrecampo). Can you name any southpaws that gave Clottey problems?

What is your opinion built on apart from Pac's recent performances against left hand dominant fighters with no defense and Clottey perceived stamina and output problems? Let me know.

[The_Sneaky]

wow where has this version of Clottey been?

The man has 38 fights. 35 that he's won and only one of those was close. If you've watched enough of his fights and not just the Cotto fight you'll see what I say.

Watch at least his last 6 fights(the full fights without the commentary) then analyse him again and form your own opinion.

I formed mine but that's my opinion so you are free to form yours as well.