Ruiz hall of shame

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Vitali is the best heavyweight, period. He is the only one winning his fights convincingly. Question his opposition if you want, but the other top heavyweights are barely beating or LOSING to equally or even moreso "unimpressive" foes. Those "unimpressive" foes were picked by many to beat Klitschko (especially Sanders).

Vitali has flaws, as does everyone, but he is clearly the best right now...like it or not.

Ruiz gets a bad rap. He got abused by Roy and that took a good bit out of him physically and emotionally. Ever since he has come in his fights fat and out of shape, but still won. He still hung with Toney in a competitive fight (even though Toney was out of shape himself).

[splittingatoms]

yea your right.vit clits is the best of the bums right now.and who in their right mind would have sanders (a over-weight golfer)beating vit.everybody is trying to upplay all of the bums that klit fights so that klits stock goes up.real boxing fans will aways know that the great white hype is nothing more that, hype.if toney had about 3 more inches in height he would make clit look like the clown that he is.**** toney might not even need the height.with his boxing skills he prolly could still beat the frankenstien...ruiz is just a bum..if there were any class act heavyweight fighters the great white hype and john the bum ruiz would be history.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

if toney had about 3 more inches in height he would make clit look like the clown that he is.**** toney might not even need the height.with his boxing skills he prolly could still beat the frankenstien...ruiz is just a bum..if there were any class act heavyweight fighters the great white hype and john the bum ruiz would be history.

lol...right. Toney split the first 7-8 rounds with that "bum" Ruiz. Any "real" boxing fan wouldn't be dumb enough to call Vitali a bum. You don't like Vitali and that's fine, but that means your judgement is...obselete.

[splittingatoms]

Any "real" boxing fan wouldn't be dumb enough to call Vitali a bum. You don't like Vitali and that's fine, but that means your judgement is...obselete.

dude i have more boxing exp and boxing knowledge in my little toe then you do in you whole ****** a s s body.dont question my judgement on the ruiz fight.toney prolly didnt even train for that fight. and still beat that bum ruiz.and whoever said anything about my likeing the big freak.i was just stating the obvious,that this guy is a bum.he is prolly the best of the bums right now but none the less still a bum.and i would give toney a damn good chance of beating vit....the guy has no ring skills at all.he only has his size and when somebody takes his size advantage away from he he will be exposed as the tomato can that he is.

[neils7147933]

lol...right. Toney split the first 7-8 rounds with that "bum" Ruiz. Any "real" boxing fan wouldn't be dumb enough to call Vitali a bum. You don't like Vitali and that's fine, but that means your judgement is...obselete.

Vitali hasn't been in with too many of the upper echelon of heavyweights. Two fights with opponents that fit into that category ended in Vitali being injured and losing by TKO. I wouldn't call the guy a bum, but I would think one would have to be concerned with the cut he suffered against Lewis and the fact that he didn't want to continue against Byrd (I won't go so far as to say he doesn't have heart, but there's no way Corrales quits on his stool in the same situation...)

It's also apparent during the rare occasions that someone gets inside and tags him that Vitali does not like to be pressured or backed up. A quick, smaller heavyweight that can move and get inside and land something could definitely bother him. He got rocked pretty well by Sanders before Corrie's poor training became very evident a couple rounds into the fight. He also had a tense moment against Williams when he was back against the ropes.

This is probably why people give Rahman a good shot to beat him; if this wasn't a freak occurrence in the fight, but a regular threat, it would be a very interesting 12 rounds. This is also where Tyson could beat Vitali; but after 3 rounds, if the champ isn't out of there I can't see Iron Mike pulling out what would be an upset in 2005/6.

Vitali's recent opponents have been praised for being able to take so much punishment, at least in the Williams and Sanders fights, but how about being praised for being able to avoid some of that punishment and actually put up a fight for more than a few seconds per round?

[The Pretender]

dude i have more boxing exp and boxing knowledge in my little toe then you do in you whole ****** a s s body.dont question my judgement on the ruiz fight.toney prolly didnt even train for that fight. and still beat that bum ruiz.and whoever said anything about my likeing the big freak.i was just stating the obvious,that this guy is a bum.he is prolly the best of the bums right now but none the less still a bum.and i would give toney a damn good chance of beating vit....the guy has no ring skills at all.he only has his size and when somebody takes his size advantage away from he he will be exposed as the tomato can that he is.

Toney's a fat sack of **** who can't fight without his steroids helping out. Even when he was juiced he still was fighting a draw with Ruiz for more than half the fight, despite Ruiz not even using his killer clinch style. Toney's a bum who would get slapped down like a ***** by Ruiz in a rematch and wouldnt last 3 rounds with Vitali.

[SnoopySmurf]

Toney's a fat sack of **** who can't fight without his steroids helping out. Even when he was juiced he still was fighting a draw with Ruiz for more than half the fight, despite Ruiz not even using his killer clinch style. Toney's a bum who would get slapped down like a ***** by Ruiz in a rematch and wouldnt last 3 rounds with Vitali.

Toney beat Ruiz by a long shot. Even without the knockdown. With or without steroids. Ruiz has no skills. He's a pretender and a wrestler.

[The Pretender]

Ruiz the top fighter since Ali and future hall of famer. He the champ.

[SnoopySmurf]

Ruiz the top fighter since Ali and future hall of famer. He the champ.

BWAHAH! You know that's a lie. Foreman? Frazier? Norton? Cooney? Holmes? Morrison? Tyson? All are not as good as Ruiz, the wrestler?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Vitali hasn't been in with too many of the upper echelon of heavyweights. Two fights with opponents that fit into that category ended in Vitali being injured and losing by TKO.

That's a pretty abrupt and simplistic way to call something. The fact that it ended in TKO doesn't not signify that he cannot cut it vs top guys. He was winning both fights when they were stopped, and that is important whether you think so or not. It's pretty hard for you to judge as you do not know how badly he was hurt in the Byrd fight. Additionally, he showed his willingness to continue vs Lewis after taking some heavy punches with the best havyweight at the time. Vitali took that fight on very short notice also.

It's also apparent during the rare occasions that someone gets inside and tags him that Vitali does not like to be pressured or backed up. A quick, smaller heavyweight that can move and get inside and land something could definitely bother him.

Why would a quick, small heavyweight bother Vitali? What quick and small heavyweight out there can beat Vitali? Toney would barely be able to reach Vitali's face if you are thinking of him, and Toney is not and never has been a pressure fighter. The only heavyweight who gave Vitali serious trouble was Lewis. Lewis is big and matched power and size with Klitschko.

He got rocked pretty well by Sanders before Corrie's poor training became very evident a couple rounds into the fight. He also had a tense moment against Williams when he was back against the ropes.

So what? Sanders hits hard and fast. Ask Rahman and Wlad. So what about the "tense" moment vs Wlliams (if there even was one)? Almost all fights have tense moments. Vitali thrashed Williams that whole fight and you cannot fault him for that. At least he's taking care of the people he is SUPPOSED to.

This is probably why people give Rahman a good shot to beat him; if this wasn't a freak occurrence in the fight, but a regular threat, it would be a very interesting 12 rounds. This is also where Tyson could beat Vitali; but after 3 rounds, if the champ isn't out of there I can't see Iron Mike pulling out what would be an upset in 2005/6.

Rahman is not that good...end of story. He is hardly ever in any better shape than Lewis was vs Vitali, and Lewis couldn't KO Vitali. Perhaps you expect another freakish cut? Rahman is a top 10 heavyweight but he hasn't done much to suggest he will be able to overcome Vitali. Tyson's punches are slower these days, will be coming from a long ways away from Vitali's head (giving Vitali plenty of time to react) and Tyson punches in wide loops and arcs as well as lacking combos. Some people give Rahman a good shot to beat Vitali...well I'd take that bet any day...easy money.