Ruiz hall of shame

[the giant one]

Heavyweights in general suck serious ass right now. Viva 135 pound brilliance!

[!! Mr. Soprano]

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You can very easily make all 4 champions' recent resume look bad. The fact that you included wins on his hall of shame shows that you don't have a whole lot to back you up, but there's not a heavyweight champion with a flawless record. Byrd has a dubious decision over Oquendo, a draw with Golota, and an almost-lost to McCline. Brewster has a loss to Cliff Etienne and a should-have lost to Kali Meehan. Vitali's too most "impressive" fights were two TKO losses that his fans rationalize, but are nevertheless losses. His last three fights have been against slow, out of shape guys who thought the best way to fight him was to stand in front of him and let him land at will.

We could make a list of all the other "top" guys's flaws right now, too. Monte Barrett, Jameel McCline, Lance Whitaker, James Toney, Wlad Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Hasim Rahman - all have some not-so-impressive marks on their record.

And the undefeateds, Joe Mesi, Calvin Brock, Sam Peter, Nicolay Valuev, Audley Harrison - have A LOT to prove.

It's become a little too trendy to trash Ruiz lately. People who dis him on threads have become caricatures of others who have done it before. And then when The Pretender takes the extreme other side, people call for his banning.

We get it - the majority love Wlad and hate Ruiz. They like Vitali but most think Tyson is shot. Okay, move onto another topic...

WoW Neils...
This is the first time I must say I completely agree with you...
Very well put!

[Sweat]

Ruiz the true champ and future hall of famer. Go Ruiz!

wtf? do u really like Ruiz or are u just pretending?? you are not human if u like Ruiz..

[!! Mr. Soprano]

he will never fight his brother.

And what's wrong with that???
Or do you think its civil for a family to break each other's bones and hit one another in the face?
I'm sorry.. Nobility, Fame, Reputation, Money, Respect all of that put together, but Family values come first.
Sorry Brother, lame thought

[ObtuseBoxer]

What can I say neils you must love Ruiz...sorry but he is the worst heavyweight since Seldon. As to the Ruiz top wins lets get real, Tucker..OMG how old was he 50?? and Golota..what fight were you watching, you gave him 2 rounds out of 12 hahahaha...you need to be fair to all the fighters and not just give every round to who you like. Holyfield was old when he fought Ruiz and Ruiz could only go 1-1-1 with him. I will give him Rahman, he did win that fight so Ruiz has beaten 1 legit fighter...and lost to 2 middleweights. This thread is not about the records of the entire division so Im not sure where you are going with that...Ruiz is a bum and his record is a joke, and thats all this thread is about. And as far as the red, I could give a sh_ _. I love boxing and enjoy talking about it, if people want to hate, so be it, I still love boxing and enjoy a conversation with true boxing fans.

[neils7147933]

I don't "love" any heavyweight fighter. I just think it's trendy to bag on the guy who holds a lot, when there's not a whole lot of material to support your arguments.

I listed the top 6 wins of the three champs other than Brewster's, who just happened to be the sacrificial lamb for Wlad that backfired. That's how Tucker got on the list. I'm not sold on the legend of Vaughn Bean either, dude.

I watched the Ruiz fight at a buddy's house and was surprised when I came back home and logged on and saw that people on this site were calling it controversial.

Use the 'search forum' feature to find the thread I started that showed that other sites and the mainstream press weren't all that outraged. Golota vs. Byrd is a much stronger argument for a title fight that The Foul Pole should have won...

But I respect your right to express your opinions without trying to force my opinion on you. Stuff like "you have to agree that..." or "everyone knows that..." are written as facts, but they're really just your own personal viewpoints.

[ObtuseBoxer]

Ruiz's record supports my claim the he is " possibly" the worst heavyweight champ..I am not talking about the entire division in this thread and am not talking about the other belt holders. To say you respect someone is easy, to show it is another thing. I respect all boxing fans as well as people, and you and the devils advocate bashed me down into heavy red so its clear you have no respect for people who do not argee with you. But Im not 16, or in high school so I dont care about that silly stuff. I just enjoy talking to adults about the greatest sport the world will ever know. It's a great thing that people can talk about the sport they love, with people all over the world.

[neils7147933]

Ruiz's record supports my claim the he is " possibly" the worst heavyweight champ..I am not talking about the entire division in this thread and am not talking about the other belt holders. To say you respect someone is easy, to show it is another thing. I respect all boxing fans as well as people, and you and the devils advocate bashed me down into heavy red so its clear you have no respect for people who do not argee with you. But Im not 16, or in high school so I dont care about that silly stuff. I just enjoy talking to adults about the greatest sport the world will ever know. It's a great thing that people can talk about the sport they love, with people all over the world.

Lamon Brewster has only beaten one Top 10 guy in his career. How can Ruiz be the worst champ?

[ObtuseBoxer]

Number one he has no history as "the champ"...it's his first title defence
Number two The WBO is not really considered as a true top belt holder.

[neils7147933]

Number one he has no history as "the champ"...it's his first title defence
Number two The WBO is not really considered as a true top belt holder.

The WBO is increasingly mentioned in with the big 3 anymore...*********.com lists it in their rankings; HBO and Showtime observe the titles - guys like Diego Corrales, Joe Calzaghe, and Bernard Hopkins hold WBO belts.

The WBA is increasingly losing credibility with Don King's guys always ranked, stripping "super" champs of their belts and declaring titles vacant, etc.

Lamon Brewster's first title defense was Kali Meehan. That gives your guy, Vitali, exactly the same amount of title defenses. 1 = 1.

So if you disqualify Brewster from contention, then you have to disqualify Vitali. Which makes this a thread of "who is better - Byrd or Ruiz..."