Comments Thread For: Valero Remains Perfect, Forces DeMarco To Wilt After Nine

[mrjoeblive]

Im waiting for Marquez to say that Valero isnt a money fight thats why he's begging off

wow that is one HOT fillipina. could you please tell her to call me i want to talk about some up coming fights and i need her opinion really bad. LOL you may be right about the money thing though. switchsouthpaw talked about that angle in one of his post. how the money angle is actually ruining the fight game for many fans. now fighters are tring to get HBO contracts and dont want to have their records tarnished. i long for the day when we can see the most competative fights boxing has to offer without the politics and posturing that sinks too many good fights

[mrjoeblive]

I was very impressed with Valero. And fighting through that massive cut from the accidental elbow should be inspirational to some of those fighters who quit at the sight of their own blood.
With that aside, I fail to see ANYTHING good about the open scoring system. In both bouts (well, esp the Abregu-Gutierrez bout) the fighters damn near stopped fighting all together while listening to the score being announced out loud after the 4th and 8th round. And, as in evidence in almost all open scoring fights I've watched in the past, the winning fighter almost always gets on their bicycle and holds for the remaining fights, and ruins it for the fans. Also, what this writer fails to mention in this article is that the WBC rules (which suck) also include that in case of an accidental foul the UNinjured fighter is deducted 1 point, 2 points if the foul is intentional! Now, I'm all for it if the foul is intentional, but come on... even in the Valero fight, where his forehead was horribly split, it happened by no fault of either fighter. DeMarco was throwing a overhand left in which Valero hit his forearm with a punch (blocked the punch with his fist) and it forced DeMarcos elbow straight into Valeros forehead. Now, I know that in most cases these injuries do impair the cut fighter, but the rules are so non specific that it COULD have been dramatic in the final scoring had this fight been closer in points (and Valero wasn't such a warrior).
Imagine how many times a headbutt has been caused by say, Joshua Clottey - I'm not sure I've ever seen him bleed from so many of the headbutts that were his fault! That would mean penalizing his opponent because the headbutter didn't bleed. I don't know what the answer is, but the current WBC rules suck. (I do like the instant replay panel however).

i agree with you on this one in the first fight abregu stopped being aggresive and did a pretty decent lance armstrong impression.lol if he didnt know the score he might have kept fighting and tring to land the ko. but with so many bad scores whats the alternative? somthing had to be done to prevent the judges from giving fights to the home town boy and screwing good fighters out of well deserved victories. there are pros and cons as you mentioned. but i think open scoring is here to stay

[Dave Rado]

Funeka has not been able to KO his last two title fight opponents , Guzman or Campbell. Now he will easliy KO the current title holder.

Yeah that was a silly post you were replying to, but Funeka would nevertheless be a very tough fight for Valero, and a great test of how good he really is. If Valero wants to build a legacy rather than just building his bank account, then he should be going after Funeka.

[Lorily]

i agree with you on this one in the first fight abregu stopped being aggresive and did a pretty decent lance armstrong impression.lol if he didnt know the score he might have kept fighting and tring to land the ko. but with so many bad scores whats the alternative? somthing had to be done to prevent the judges from giving fights to the home town boy and screwing good fighters out of well deserved victories. there are pros and cons as you mentioned. but i think open scoring is here to stay

I guess I fail to see how open scoring is going to keep the judges from making bad desitions. Especially when the scores are announced after the 4th and 8th, what is going to change? I don't know what the requirements to being a judge are but I really hope you are wrong about open scoring being here to stay! I would like to see how they would impliment the instant replay section. Seems like it would take a lot of valuable time if they have to take a time out to review it, I know there is a panel of 4 but I'm not sure how they plan to impliment the procedure.

[StrangerInTown]

Unidentified Flying Fighters: The Edwin Valero Story

The saga began with Friday night’s ESPN2 triple header which lasted a total of 10 frames. Yes. Glen Johnson at the age of 41 over powered the decade younger Yusef Mack in 7 stanzas. Thirty-one summers should provide a considerable advantage for most prize fighters. Sorry Mr. Mack. It was a contest that ran true to form as Yusef is known to crumble under hard core pressure, but the journey was still a pleasant notion to behold. This tale was to originally unfold on the under card of Mosely/Berto. As we all have had the misfortune of recognizing, Andre Berto could not participate in the fight of his life after his homeland was shaken into the fight of its life. Therefore, a promotion team in Davie, Florida salvaged this fight, placing it before us on Friday evening.
Anytime a man who has gone to the well 65 times, losing 13 of those starts, comes up victorious, every male spirit over the age of 40 feels a certain vindication. After all, this “getting old” thing ain’t for the faint of heart nor the perpetually hopeless. Johnson took Mack to school with power and the relentless force of a reckoning. Yusef Mack knows about reckonings and the slaughter that can accompany them. He grew from the meanest of Philadelphia concrete. His best friend and professional boxer, Tybius Flowers, was murdered on those streets. It was not heart Yusef lacked in Florida, it was strictly physical power.
But when the game is good, this is what Boxing is all about. It is an awakening of vital senses and at times it beckons a display of tamed recklessness that translates into a metaphor for life itself. Why? Simply because the very act of living is a constant struggle and this defiant coin has no ill side as long as we keep trying to connect with life. If we continue punching, we each have the chance of a title shot. Yeah, I know. It’s corny flakes of some form of wisdom but still beats the hell out of anything that comes out of Sarah Palin’s yap.
The contest prior to the Glen Johnson bout lasted a total of 7 seconds. It was a single body shot mismatch and I am no longer prepared to mention the names of victors who participate in such exhibitions. That’s what the Golden Gloves are for, not the pay for punch ranks.
Which brings us to the category of Unidentified Flying Fighters. All I can say is, “Thank the fistic Gods for Edwin Valero.” In an age where “Void” Floyd is forced into a real fight with Shane Mosely due to the disrespect he initiated toward the best of this last ten year span, Edwin Valero reminds us just why Manny Pacquiao is so revered. The art of pugilism should not be confused with “Dancing With The Stars”.
Coming into Saturday’s WBC semi-unification lightweight bout, 28-year old Edwin Valero, 27-0 (27), was a fighter standing in the shadows of questions, legend and mystery. The legend portion proclaims that he sustained a strange brain injury during a bicycle race which left certain Boxing Commissions wary of granting him pugilistic license. Another tale stated that a DUI received in his homeland of Venezuela did not allow him a visa to travel to certain fistic dates. Was Edwin Valero some dome injured creature who just so happened to render 27 men unconscious in 27 contests from Venezuela, to China, to Mexico? These were the speculations that drew a large crowd to an arena in Monterey, Mexico.
The opponent was Antonio "Kid" DeMarco. With a record of 23-2-1, he was thought to be on a roll and that he would expose the almost invisable Valero for a guy who could not go into deep waters and survive.
Not only did he get soaking wet, survive an elbow that produced a terrible gash and the blood that accompanies it near his forehead, he also forced DeMarco to do the unthinkable for Mexican warriors: quit.
Valero came to battle with the harsh manners of a man with something to prove. Valiant, employing a constant force of forward motion, Antonio had nothing in his arsenal to deter such will, power and prowess. Although he connected with a few tough jabs and dedicated power shots, the older Edwin appeared to walk through most of DeMarco's fire.
By the eighth frame, "The Kid" appeared done. He sat on his stool with the evident effects of the over all drain upon his defeated face.
At the start of ten, it was a mercy filled decree from his corner that put an end to the one sided event.
The future is immaculate and bright for Valero who called this his best fight ever. Promoter, Bob Arum, spoke of Valero moving up to 140 pounds and requesting a dance with junior welter champion Tim Bradley, in what surely would be a remarkable challange and high octane contest. But this is Boxing and we may require some fan input addressed to Showtime if we hope to see Valero in high profile battle again anytime soon.
It was a brilliant display of talent and guts in Monterey last night. Viva Valero!
Viva DeMarco!

[Iceta Lives]

Yeah that was a silly post you were replying to, but Funeka would nevertheless be a very tough fight for Valero, and a great test of how good he really is. If Valero wants to build a legacy rather than just building his bank account, then he should be going after Funeka.

Valero would take him out easily I think. If he fights him, great. If he doesn't, and instead goes after JMM or Bradley, so be it. I thought Campell edged him out and Guzman was really rusty. Funeka does have a good jab, but I don't like his chin. I think it's awfully dentable when up against a puncher.

[Lorily]

The saga began with Friday night’s ESPN2 triple header which lasted a total of 10 frames. Yes. Glen Johnson at the age of 41 over powered the decade younger Yusef Mack in 7 stanzas. Thirty-one summers should provide a considerable advantage for most prize fighters. Sorry Mr. Mack. It was a contest that ran true to form as Yusef is known to crumble under hard core pressure, but the journey was still a pleasant notion to behold. This tale was to originally unfold on the under card of Mosely/Berto. As we all have had the misfortune of recognizing, Andre Berto could not participate in the fight of his life after his homeland was shaken into the fight of its life. Therefore, a promotion team in Davie, Florida salvaged this fight, placing it before us on Friday evening.
Anytime a man who has gone to the well 65 times, losing 13 of those starts, comes up victorious, every male spirit over the age of 40 feels a certain vindication. After all, this “getting old” thing ain’t for the faint of heart nor the perpetually hopeless. Johnson took Mack to school with power and the relentless force of a reckoning. Yusef Mack knows about reckonings and the slaughter that can accompany them. He grew from the meanest of Philadelphia concrete. His best friend and professional boxer, Tybius Flowers, was murdered on those streets. It was not heart Yusef lacked in Florida, it was strictly physical power.
But when the game is good, this is what Boxing is all about. It is an awakening of vital senses and at times it beckons a display of tamed recklessness that translates into a metaphor for life itself. Why? Simply because the very act of living is a constant struggle and this defiant coin has no ill side as long as we keep trying to connect with life. If we continue punching, we each have the chance of a title shot. Yeah, I know. It’s corny flakes of some form of wisdom but still beats the hell out of anything that comes out of Sarah Palin’s yap.
The contest prior to the Glen Johnson bout lasted a total of 7 seconds. It was a single body shot mismatch and I am no longer prepared to mention the names of victors who participate in such exhibitions. That’s what the Golden Gloves are for, not the pay for punch ranks.
Which brings us to the category of Unidentified Flying Fighters. All I can say is, “Thank the fistic Gods for Edwin Valero.” In an age where “Void” Floyd is forced into a real fight with Shane Mosely due to the disrespect he initiated toward the best of this last ten year span, Edwin Valero reminds us just why Manny Pacquiao is so revered. The art of pugilism should not be confused with “Dancing With The Stars”.
Coming into Saturday’s WBC semi-unification lightweight bout, 28-year old Edwin Valero, 27-0 (27), was a fighter standing in the shadows of questions, legend and mystery. The legend portion proclaims that he sustained a strange brain injury during a bicycle race which left certain Boxing Commissions wary of granting him pugilistic license. Another tale stated that a DUI received in his homeland of Venezuela did not allow him a visa to travel to certain fistic dates. Was Edwin Valero some dome injured creature who just so happened to render 27 men unconscious in 27 contests from Venezuela, to China, to Mexico? These were the speculations that drew a large crowd to an arena in Monterey, Mexico.
The opponent was Antonio "Kid" DeMarco. With a record of 23-2-1, he was thought to be on a roll and that he would expose the almost invisable Valero for a guy who could not go into deep waters and survive.
Not only did he get soaking wet, survive an elbow that produced a terrible gash and the blood that accompanies it near his forehead, he also forced DeMarco to do the unthinkable for Mexican warriors: quit.
Valero came to battle with the harsh manners of a man with something to prove. Valiant, employing a constant force of forward motion, Antonio had nothing in his arsenal to deter such will, power and prowess. Although he connected with a few tough jabs and dedicated power shots, the older Edwin appeared to walk through most of DeMarco's fire.
By the eighth frame, "The Kid" appeared done. He sat on his stool with the evident effects of the over all drain upon his defeated face.
At the start of ten, it was a mercy filled decree from his corner that put an end to the one sided event.
The future is immaculate and bright for Valero who called this his best fight ever. Promoter, Bob Arum, spoke of Valero moving up to 140 pounds and requesting a dance with junior welter champion Tim Bradley, in what surely would be a remarkable challange and high octane contest. But this is Boxing and we may require some fan input addressed to Showtime if we hope to see Valero in high profile battle again anytime soon.
It was a brilliant display of talent and guts in Monterey last night. Viva Valero!
Viva DeMarco!

Wow... I'm reading through this and I'm thinking "This sounds like Teddy Atlas". LOL. Well, untill you said void Floyd then I knew it couldn't possibly be him. He loves Floyd too much!

[Mr Reality]

Yeah that was a silly post you were replying to, but Funeka would nevertheless be a very tough fight for Valero, and a great test of how good he really is. If Valero wants to build a legacy rather than just building his bank account, then he should be going after Funeka.

Would be a good fight and test for Valero, however I believe Valero beats Funeka.

Funeka beat Guzman but was robbed.However he did not beat Campbell in what was a close fight. Guy has had some bad breaks so far.