Bernard Hopkins: who has he ducked?

[General Zod]

Nunn said somethin OMG!? oh wait....he didn't did he? it was his friend that probabley was nowhere to be found during the negotiations, it was his friend that says he only got caught by toney cuz he was waving to his mommy
gimme a break

What effort have you ever made to verify the things Jones has said? Or is it a case of Roy said something so thats good enough?
Steve Collins:

"My only way to carry on was to fight Roy Jones, the WBC [World Boxing Council] light heavyweight champion, but as there is no chance of that happening now, the only route I have is to retire.
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"The fight that would have kept me in boxing was against Roy Jones. But he has ducked me for two years, even though Frank Warren, my promoter, did everything to make it happen."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/b...t-1233703.html

Collins and Liles were both trained by Freddie Roach. Roach tried to set up fights with Jones but his calls were not returned

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...le/7149/jones/

[SplitSecond]

What effort have you ever made to verify the things Jones has said? Or is it a case of Roy said something so thats good enough?
Steve Collins:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/b...t-1233703.html


http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...le/7149/jones/

i'd rather believe somethin that came out of the mouth of a respectable person that commentates on boxing and knows how to get scoops than just a fan of boxing, congratulations, he wrote an article on his website

the best piece about that is when he says jones was ducking virgil hill until he lost to michalwezki even tho they were gonna fight if jones had beaten griffin the first time around, hill was ringside, the commentators announced it, roy had said it, then came the dq, jones wanted a rematch, hill went and lost his belt

not jones' fault is it?
i think you're trying way too hard to find jones ducking everyone

EDIT- haven't i already said jones ducked Collins? how many times do you want me to say it? Jones ducked collins, but collins also ducked jones, and if you dont believe HBO, since you rather believe fans, well, there's a collins article with him saying he wanted more money blah blah, despite it being a hefty enough amount, i cant be bothered looking up articles right now, and i cant be bothered figuring out how much it was, but since your determined with this jones ducked everyguy in every division, just go search yourself

[check hook]

Im interested in the fighters that Hopkins has ducked, links would also be appreciated.

Off the Top of my Head he has ducked Calzaghe in the early 2000's and Chad Dawson.

If fighters ducked other fighters as much as the posters on this forum believed.........BOXING WOULD NOT EXIST!!!!

[Horus]

Hopkins ducked Barboza early in his reign after Barboza kicked the **** out of Robert Allen. Allen, at that time, was dangerous and Bhop wanted no part of Barboza at that time. That was around the same time (1996-1997) when Hopkins fought Allen the 1st time and was getting smacked and roughed up badly when ref Mills Lane shoved Hopkins during a beak and Hopkins fell out of the ring and feigned an ankle injury to avoid stepping back in with Allen, thus retaining his title via no contest.

And when he fought Syd Vanderpool in 2000, he made Syd weigh in on the day of the fight when NO ONE was doing things that way. It deprived Vanderpool the chance to hydrate properly the night before the fight.

I'll say this, Hopkins is a better boxing manager (for himself) than he is a fighter. He made all the choices at the right time. Sheer genius.

thanks for this valuable information

[-Spinal-]

List of fighters he could've fought, but didn't from back in the day.

Gerald McClellan
Nigel Benn
Julio Ceasar Vasquez (He was the first one to beat Winky)
Jorge Castro
Even an older Mike McCallum
And of course the Roy Jones rematch

List of fighters he should fight if he continues with his career
Chad Dawson-Jean Pascal winner
Tomasz Adamek
Eddie Chambers (if he goes to Heavyweight)
James Toney (if they can compromise on the weight)
Tavoris Cloud (High risk, low reward, so understandable if it doesn't happen)
Lucian Bute
The Super Six winner

To sum it up, Bernard's resume is overrated and lacking.

Tavoris Cloud is the easiest fight there.

[yeykax]

Ducking means when you always avoid a fighter you don't want to fight ever!!If they still fight even 20yrs down the line there was no ducking maybe in the mean time but it's not like that.One big ***** I want to name that ducked alot of good fighters in his division and has the nerve to call himself great was Sven Ottke.now this guy retired undefeated but with hardly any good fighter in his resume!!!anyways Bhop has done what he had to do so for all of you saying that he's avoiding Dawson or whomever else you guys say old man Bhop never ducked no one!!

[Tuavale]

Hopkins ducked Barboza early in his reign after Barboza kicked the **** out of Robert Allen. Allen, at that time, was dangerous and Bhop wanted no part of Barboza at that time. That was around the same time (1996-1997) when Hopkins fought Allen the 1st time and was getting smacked and roughed up badly when ref Mills Lane shoved Hopkins during a beak and Hopkins fell out of the ring and feigned an ankle injury to avoid stepping back in with Allen, thus retaining his title via no contest.

And when he fought Syd Vanderpool in 2000, he made Syd weigh in on the day of the fight when NO ONE was doing things that way. It deprived Vanderpool the chance to hydrate properly the night before the fight.

I'll say this, Hopkins is a better boxing manager (for himself) than he is a fighter. He made all the choices at the right time. Sheer genius.

I saw some of you appreciated this tid bit and some dismissed it out of hand.

But here are MY facts on this:

Look who Hopkins fought after he KO'd green Joe Lipsey in March 1996.
1. Bo James - a virtual scrub and not a contender. July, 1996
2. John David Jackson - washed up and coming off a loss to a 9-6 fighter. Why did that merit a title shot? April 1997
3. Glen Johnson- unproven, untested and green. July, 1997
4. Andrew Council - a faded Jr. middleweight. November, 1997
5. Simon Brown - a very faded former welterweight champ. January, 1998
6. Robert Allen I - he hadn't done **** since losing to Barboza. Why did he get a shot? August, 1998

Meanwhile Barboza was a seriously dangerous cat in 1996-1997 but, unfortunately he was one of those guys with the 5 cent heads and the wheels started falling off the bus in 1998 with a loss to Echols and numerous out of the ring issues. But that doesn't excuse Hopkins for ducking him when he was a serious, legitimate contender and a real threat to the crown.

And I believe if they fought in late 1996 or early 1997, Hopkins would have gotten walked down and thrashed. But destiny had other plans. Life can take strange twists and turns that ultimately changed the course of history. But I give Hopkins great credit for not only maneuvering his career like ship captain but for staying in the gym and really focusing on his craft. He became a great fighter in his later years and his out of the ring acumen allowed to to do so. He's truly a unique and special guy.

In a nutshell, this about covers it.

[Wiirdo]

This is what is going to happen and you can quote this, when it happens. After Jones, Hopkins will call out Haye, If Haye rejects him he will go on to fight a SMW, like BUte. If Haye accepts then he will price himself out and then go on to fight a SMW, like Bute. Either way he will fight a SMW, that I can promise you.

That's a silly thing to say. Bute in his last fight came in at 167.5. Hopkins came in his last fight at 173. He's really picking on midgets.

He's an inch shorter also.

[illmatickid]

Ive seen that video, Elie is amazing

i wanna laugh.. anyone wanna link me to that video?

[Tuavale]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuavale View Post
Hopkins ducked Barboza early in his reign after Barboza kicked the **** out of Robert Allen. Allen, at that time, was dangerous and Bhop wanted no part of Barboza at that time. That was around the same time (1996-1997) when Hopkins fought Allen the 1st time and was getting smacked and roughed up badly when ref Mills Lane shoved Hopkins during a beak and Hopkins fell out of the ring and feigned an ankle injury to avoid stepping back in with Allen, thus retaining his title via no contest.

And when he fought Syd Vanderpool in 2000, he made Syd weigh in on the day of the fight when NO ONE was doing things that way. It deprived Vanderpool the chance to hydrate properly the night before the fight.

I'll say this, Hopkins is a better boxing manager (for himself) than he is a fighter. He made all the choices at the right time. Sheer genius.
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I saw some of you appreciated this tid bit and some dismissed it out of hand.

But here are MY facts on this:

Look who Hopkins fought after he KO'd green Joe Lipsey in March 1996.
1. Bo James - a virtual scrub and not a contender. July, 1996
2. John David Jackson - washed up and coming off a loss to a 9-6 fighter. Why did that merit a title shot? April 1997
3. Glen Johnson- unproven, untested and green. July, 1997
4. Andrew Council - a faded Jr. middleweight. November, 1997
5. Simon Brown - a very faded former welterweight champ. January, 1998
6. Robert Allen I - he hadn't done **** since losing to Barboza. Why did he get a shot? August, 1998

Meanwhile Barboza was a seriously dangerous cat in 1996-1997 but, unfortunately he was one of those guys with the 5 cent heads and the wheels started falling off the bus in 1998 with a loss to Echols and numerous out of the ring issues. But that doesn't excuse Hopkins for ducking him when he was a serious, legitimate contender and a real threat to the crown.

And I believe if they fought in late 1996 or early 1997, Hopkins would have gotten walked down and thrashed. But destiny had other plans. Life can take strange twists and turns that ultimately changed the course of history. But I give Hopkins great credit for not only maneuvering his career like ship captain but for staying in the gym and really focusing on his craft. He became a great fighter in his later years and his out of the ring acumen allowed to to do so. He's truly a unique and special guy.

In a nutshell, this about covers it.