Comments Thread For: Warren Talks About Amir Khan Avoiding Maidana Defense

[The Internet]

Khan should have stuck with Warren. It is Warren that built him and dumping loyalty just for the sake of few dollars is sad. I don't feel good about this and wont be surprised if Khan loses to Marquez.

lol you know nothing.

[gingeralbino]

And the traditional Frank Warren slagging of the fighters that have have left him begins.

No, for once, he is not full of ****. Warren was close to finalising the Khan-Maidana fight when Khan split from him and there have been a lot of stories in the UK press saying that Khan's father and Roach both wanted the split with Warren to happen for that precise reason, because they didn't want Khan to fight Maidana yet, whereas Warren did. In fact Warren had signed a contract when the Khan-Kotelnik fight was made, in which he guaranteed the Maidana-Ortiz winner a shot at Khan, and Roach and Shah Khan were very upset when they found out about that, according to several newspaper reports.

Furthermore, Bradley's promoter has confirmed that negotiations with Warren for a Khan-Bradley fight in the summer were in an advanced state and close to being signed when the split happened.

Yep everything u said is true (well at least i read the reports on here), however what Warren says about who his fighters are going to fight, and who they realy fight are quite often 2 very different realities, and for him to stick Khan in with both Madaina and Bradley would require him to break the habbit of a lifetime - and i very much doubt he had any intention what so ever of doing that.

[Sparked_1985]

And the traditional Frank Warren slagging of the fighters that have have left him begins.



Yep everything u said is true (well at least i read the reports on here), however what Warren says about who his fighters are going to fight, and who they realy fight are quite often 2 very different realities, and for him to stick Khan in with both Madaina and Bradley would require him to break the habbit of a lifetime - and i very much doubt he had any intention what so ever of doing that.

I don't know, y'know.

I think old fish face deserves a lot of credit for putting in Kevin Mitchell against Breidis Prescott. That match was hugely dangerous - a huge gamble.

[gingeralbino]

I don't know, y'know.

I think old fish face deserves a lot of credit for putting in Kevin Mitchell against Breidis Prescott. That match was hugely dangerous - a huge gamble.

not really imo, Prescott (who isnt very good, just can **** hard) is a well known name in the UK for KOing Khan so the recognition Mitchell would get would for the win would be significant - and if he lost, well then Prescott is the guy who beat Khan, no shame in losing to him (lol), easy enough to spin to the public. Mitchell isnt anywhere near as big an earner for Warren as Khan was and needed his reputation raised to bring in bigger fights and more money.
A small gamble matching him with Prescott, and the upside made it very worth while.

[Sparked_1985]

not really imo, Prescott (who isnt very good, just can **** hard) is a well known name in the UK for KOing Khan so the recognition Mitchell would get would for the win would be significant - and if he lost, well then Prescott is the guy who beat Khan, no shame in losing to him (lol), easy enough to spin to the public. Mitchell isnt anywhere near as big an earner for Warren as Khan was and needed his reputation raised to bring in bigger fights and more money.
A small gamble matching him with Prescott, and the upside made it very worth while.

Prescott when he neglects his jab is actually verging on being a **** fighter. But, Mitchell's first fight and at a higher weight against a guy standing nearly 6' tall and being a ****er. Factor in that Mitchell had never shown himself to be elusive prior to Prescott fighter. Mitchell got a hit a lot and was far smaller than Prescott. It was risky I think.

I get your point, he could spin it. And the other argument is that he has to make Mitchell a bigger star and a world champion before he can really cherry pick.

We'll see.

Kevin Mitchell is the gage of what Frank Warren's philosophy is nowadays after losing Khan. Though his defence of his bauble against a completely random Columbian is probably a bad sign.

[Dave Rado]

I have said in other threads that I like JMM for Kahn,
I think the WBA should let it happen. but only as long as the winner fights maidana.

If it was on that basis I wouldn't have a problem with it, but GBP have made it clear that they have no plans for Khan to fight Maidana at all. They said that after Marquez, they want Khan to fight Zab. So it's a blatant duck, and I hope the WBA strip him.

[Dave Rado]

however what Warren says about who his fighters are going to fight, and who they realy fight are quite often 2 very different realities, and for him to stick Khan in with both Madaina and Bradley would require him to break the habbit of a lifetime - and i very much doubt he had any intention what so ever of doing that.

The fact is that: Warren did give Maidana a contractual guarantee that he would fight Khan, as part of the negotiations that landed the Kotelnik fight; that several reputable journalists have been told that Shah Khan and Roach were furious when they found out about that, and that this was a big part of the reason Khan split from Warren; that Warren was saying to Sky only a week before the split that a deal for the Maidana fight was imminent; and that Bradley's promoter has confirmed that negotiations for Khan-Bradley in the summer were in an advanced state. Those are all just facts. So I think you should give Warren the benefit of the doubt on this one, despite his track record.

[John Hue]

The fact is that: Warren did give Maidana a contractual guarantee that he would fight Khan, as part of the negotiations that landed the Kotelnik fight; that several reputable journalists have been told that Shah Khan and Roach were furious when they found out about that, and that this was a big part of the reason Khan split from Warren; record.

This seems to make sense that Khan would have to be tied into a deal with Maidana in order to fight Kotelnik. In the real world Warren would have avoided Khan fighting Maidana but if it was a condition of getting Kotelnik in the ring and a world title he would take it. The bit about Shah Khan being furious about it does not ring true as the details would have been spelled out before a world title fight deal was struck and there would have been no way of getting a Maidana match taken out of the contract. Team Khan would have been presented with clearly defined options before a deal was struck.

[Dave Rado]

This seems to make sense that Khan would have to be tied into a deal with Maidana in order to fight Kotelnik. In the real world Warren would have avoided Khan fighting Maidana but if it was a condition of getting Kotelnik in the ring and a world title he would take it. The bit about Shah Khan being furious about it does not ring true as the details would have been spelled out before a world title fight deal was struck and there would have been no way of getting a Maidana match taken out of the contract. Team Khan would have been presented with clearly defined options before a deal was struck.

I think Shah and Freddie were probably aware that Khan would have to fight Ortiz, if Ortiz beat Maidana, but had not realised that he'd have to fight Maidana, if Maidana beat Ortiz. See here, for instance:

In his column on frankwarren.tv the promoter revealed Khan was expecting to face Victor Ortiz in a mandatory defence, but his defeat at the hands of Maidana “threw a spanner in the works”. The Argentine has knocked out 26 opponents in 27 victories, with one defeat; a daunting statistic for Khan, who has been knocked down several times in his career and knocked out.

Warren wrote: “Shah Khan, Amir’s dad, let me know that Khan camp weren’t happy and unaware with the Maidana fight.

Warren also revealed acclaimed trainer Roach was not eager to take the challenge.

“Khan’s trainer, Freddie Roach, made it known that he wasn’t happy with the Maidana match up either, describing him as a dangerous puncher and it wasn’t “good business” for Amir to face Maidana.

“He’s not a bad puncher, but he was also on the floor against Ortiz and is pretty crude. He also lost to Kotelnik.

“But this was the way it had to be and only last Thursday I agreed terms with Maidana’s promoter Peter Kohl, which was lucrative for Khan and guaranteed the fight in the UK.”

Warren maintained he had plans set in motion to allow Khan to increase his exposure in America by taking on their biggest names.

“Shah was also aware that I also contacted world No 1 Timothy Bradley’s camp and I offered Khan the biggest purse of his career to face him. Previously I was approached by both HBO and Don King about Amir fighting WBC champion Devon Alexander. But it wasn’t for good money.

“American network’s Showtime wanted and agreed the Bradley fight and HBO also want to screen Amir’s fight with Maidana.”

[Ray*]

Roach continues the cherry picking with his top fighters. They are banking that Marquez is the smaller fighter, they forget how well Marquez adjusts in a fight. I wish he took a fight against Bradley cause they will be banking on his low KO percentage. Khan in his camp will look for any concievable advantage before they take a fight.

They will be looking for a non puncher for his next bout, it just a crying shame cause they hype this kid so much

This is what i see with Roach, The guy is a great trainer but half of his work is done in picking the right opponents for his fighters, I thought that was the promoter/matchmakers job but Roach seem to be the main trainer who chooses his fighters opponents.

Named Non-mover for Pacquiao, Named Non-punchers for Khan..