Comments Thread For: Mayweather vs. Mosley is an All-American Bout

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Excuses are all you have. Why were you ragging on Pacquiao for not directly calling out Floyd immediately after the Cotto fight?? Pac is the man to beat not Money. So May should've been the one calling out Pac. You showed your favoritism. Mosley, Cotto, and Margarito ALL managed to fight each other yet Mayweather hasn't fought ANY of them. Sorry. That's a problem. Margarito called May out to his face and got left hanging. Cotto is probably the easiest fighter to make a fight with. When has a Cotto fight even reached negotiations then fell apart?? Never. He fights the best and keeps it moving. It's so funny how Mayweather fans say he didn't duck the 3 of them when he makes quotes like "Legacy don't pay bills." HOW CAN YOU RETIRE AS A WELTERWEIGHT WITHOUT FIGHTING ONE?? He should've never been allowed to retire with those 3 megafights on the table. Floyd ducked Cotto and Margarito. Period. We shall see if the Mosley fight actually happens. Who cares if Cotto was the underdog?? Doesn't mean he didn't deserve a shot. According to the ******** odds May was the underdog in the Pac fight. The fact that Mayweather was ranked as the Number 1 P4P fighting nobodies is the biggest sham in boxing. Now he's back at Number 2 because he beat up a lightweight. Smh.

EXACTLY so why are you ragging on Floyd? Mayweather Jr
was the man to beat NOT Cotto so why didn't Cotto call Floyd
out? You contradicted yourself. Ummmm, according to Boxing
history and documents Floyd did fight WW's and actually
became the Lineal WW Champion, so what are you talking
about? Hey, we all wanted to see Floyd against all of them
fighters but they didn't happen and I believe on this thread
alone I posted why but no one seems to be replying to those.
Specifically the Margarito fight that was supposed to happen.
Also, why do people keep mentioning Margarito? Look at his
career and legacy now? I actually think it was a smarter move
for Floyd to fight Baldomir and then Oscar than Margarito. How
can Floyd be known for ducking Cotto? when he wanted to
fight him and I don't care when it was. Like you said, Floyd
was the man and Cotto was the challenger, it was Cotto's job
to show interest like your example of how Floyd needed to call
Pac out.

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Jr is just being smart but it is making him look bad..

...boxing expert will always question his winning streak unles he fights the top Welters and I agree with you..! Cotto and Clottey lost before but I have high remarks for both boxers.

That may be true. But Mayweather could always say he fought them first. Mayweather looks so bad now because Pac is a smaller man and facing welter he should've already fought.

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You say Cotto ducked PWill, but Floyd didn't fight him either. Other than Margs no one fought PWill so how is he relevant. You still have yet to explain without excuses how 1 fighter, Floyd Mayweather, managed to not fight Margs, Cotto, and Mosley before he retired. At least 1 of those fights could've been made. Your timeline is wrong. De La Hoya had nothing to do with the Margarito fight not being made. De La Hoya ducked Margarito to after he saw what happened to Cotto. Then he tried to make the rematch with May and May decided to retire. Oscar wasn't going to fight Cotto or Margs because he knows he would've gotten that ass beat. The two of them were beasts at that time. What Roger says doesn't matter. The fights didn't happen and May's legacy will suffer as a result. Those 3 fights would've done more for his legacy than a victory over Pac.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382

How much more proof and facts need to be displayed on these threads
and forums?

It's relevant because Paul Williams was looking for a fight at 147
and Cotto was coming back to fight and Williams couldn't get
him or Jennings and guess what? Paul had to vacate his title
and guess what? Cotto and Jennings fought for it. Wouldn't
that be a form of ducking on Cotto's part?

[Rome-By-Ko]

OK, understandable and yes Floyd should have fought some of
the other guys but everyone should take into consideration that
Floyd was coming up before Cotto and right after Mosley. Cotto
didn't make sense and believe if he would have beaten Margarito
then fought and beat Oscar then Cotto would have been fighting
Floyd according to Roger before Cotto fought Margarito then were
talking about Floyd fighting him. Cotto ducked Paul Williams too.
Had his belt on that Paul vacated because he couldn't get a fight
with anybody at 147. Cotto fought for and won Williams title vacantly.
At some point every fighter ducked or didn't fight a fighter for
some reason or another. Fact of the matter is that Judah and
Baldomir was ranked higher at WW then anyone else and fighting
Baldomir and chasing Oscar to 154 instead of fighting Margarito
made more sense career, $ and status wise. Just like Mosley fighting
Oscar and not Floyd made more sense to his career and same with
Manny and his choices as of recent. Can't congratulate one fighter
and down play another for doing the same thing. Well I can't.

i agree but none of the other fighter's did it as bad as he did and that's why he takes so much **** for it think bout it de la hoya duck forest wright and spinks mosley duck's pauly walnut's i think cotto did not duck anybody that's why i hope he make's it to the hall and i also don't think manny duck anybody either but now let look at this hoya fight's tito vargas mosley ike parnelle b-hop shane fight's forest who no one wanted to fight wright cotto margacheato money fight's chop chop judah who past 3 round's is weak face first hatton over the hill hoya com-on mang that's why he take's ****

[ATL_Boxer]

EXACTLY so why are you ragging on Floyd? Mayweather Jr
was the man to beat NOT Cotto so why didn't Cotto call Floyd
out? You contradicted yourself. Ummmm, according to Boxing
history and documents Floyd did fight WW's and actually
became the Lineal WW Champion, so what are you talking
about? Hey, we all wanted to see Floyd against all of them
fighters but they didn't happen and I believe on this thread
alone I posted why but no one seems to be replying to those.
Specifically the Margarito fight that was supposed to happen.
Also, why do people keep mentioning Margarito? Look at his
career and legacy now? I actually think it was a smarter move
for Floyd to fight Baldomir and then Oscar than Margarito. How
can Floyd be known for ducking Cotto? when he wanted to
fight him and I don't care when it was. Like you said, Floyd
was the man and Cotto was the challenger, it was Cotto's job
to show interest like your example of how Floyd needed to call
Pac out.

Who cares about Margarito's career and legacy now?! DID YOU KNOW THEN?! NO! No one did! Hindsight is 20/20 so save it. You said Floyd didn't fight Cotto because Cotto never called him out. MARGARITO CALLED FLOYD OUT TO HIS FACE AND NEVER GOT THE FIGHT! That's why Margarito is relevant to the discussion. This is why boxing is going downhill. Because someone has to even call you out to make a fight. Cotto has never called anyone out and has fought every top welter except PWill. And no one but Margarito even fought him. Cotto cares about his LEGACY so he takes on the best opposition he can find. Mayweather doesn't because, "Legacy don't pay bills." Cool, if you want to take easy, safe fights against weak opposition so you can make the most money and stay undefeated, whatever. But don't talk about how you're the greatest fight of all time when you haven't fought an opponent worth mentioning since you were a lightweight. Mayweather was the supposed "champ" but no one but scrubs got a shot at his crown. Names mean everything. Not belts. And at 147, Mayweather doesn't have them.

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At the end of the day Mosley has put in work. PWill has put in work even when he couldn't land a fight at welter. Pac has put in work. Mosley has fought Cotto. Cotto has fought Margarito,Pac and Clottey. Clottey is about to fight Pac. Fights can be made and have been made during the time Mayweather has been a welterweight, it's up to him to make them happen. How come all those guys at one time or another fought the other, but Mayweather has excuses as to why he couldn't even fight one? Just one?!!? C'mon it's so transparent. If random blood tests aren't a part of this fight, then we all know Floyd was full of it and looking for a way out period.

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Who cares about Margarito's career and legacy now?! DID YOU KNOW THEN?! NO! No one did! Hindsight is 20/20 so save it. You said Floyd didn't fight Cotto because Cotto never called him out. MARGARITO CALLED FLOYD OUT TO HIS FACE AND NEVER GOT THE FIGHT! That's why Margarito is relevant to the discussion. This is why boxing is going downhill. Because someone has to even call you out to make a fight. Cotto has never called anyone out and has fought every top welter except PWill. And no one but Margarito even fought him. Cotto cares about his LEGACY so he takes on the best opposition he can find. Mayweather doesn't because, "Legacy don't pay bills." Cool, if you want to take easy, safe fights against weak opposition so you can make the most money and stay undefeated, whatever. But don't talk about how you're the greatest fight of all time when you haven't fought an opponent worth mentioning since you were a lightweight. Mayweather was the supposed "champ" but no one but scrubs got a shot at his crown. Names mean everything. Not belts. And at 147, Mayweather doesn't have them.

100% Co-Sign.

[ATL_Boxer]

How much more proof and facts need to be displayed on these threads
and forums?

It's relevant because Paul Williams was looking for a fight at 147
and Cotto was coming back to fight and Williams couldn't get
him or Jennings and guess what? Paul had to vacate his title
and guess what? Cotto and Jennings fought for it. Wouldn't
that be a form of ducking on Cotto's part?

So Cotto is supposed to fight PWill immediately after the Margo loss?? Are you high?? He got his ass handed to him and his comeback fight is supposed to be against PWill?? GTFOH. PWill left the division before he gave it a chance. Margo was at 147 fighting bums for years before the spotlight came his way. PWill was impatient. Look at Mosley, a Hall of Famer begging for fights but he never bailed because he couldn't get one. But fine, call it a duck. Cotto ducked PWill. That's 1 fighter. Why didn't Mayweather fight Paul? So that means Mayweather ducked, Cotto, Margo, Mosley, and PWill. Wow. That makes 4 welters who Mayweather conveniently avoided by retiring.

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C'mon with Judah and Baldy, you seem to be a smart guy, obviously you know how rankings are manipulated and cannot be used as a measuring stick especially by hardcore fans, we know what we see and who is who as they say.

Judah is and has always been a talented underachiever who was a front-runner but eventually would find a way to lose. Baldy well he's a great Disney movie waiting to happen and that is where it begins and ends. Mosley put in work in his career, Oscar put in work, PWill fought Margarito and Martinez, Cotto fought Margarito,Shane and Judah, in five years what elite fighter at the welterweight division has Floyd faced?

I agree with you about Judah and Baldomir but at that time
Brian Kenny was getting on Mayweather that he had to fight
Judah and Baldomir. They were both the men to beat at WW
to become the Lineal champion at 147. To me, them fights
were relevant. Ok, so Floyd didn't fight Mosley and or Cotto
but them guys weren't even in the loop at that time as big
potential fights. Mosley made his career choices and Cotto
was an up and comer. Cotto actually busted his cheery when
he fought Mosley by then Floyd was entertaining a rematch
with Oscar that he turned down.

[ATL_Boxer]

At the end of the day Mosley has put in work. PWill has put in work even when he couldn't land a fight at welter. Pac has put in work. Mosley has fought Cotto. Cotto has fought Margarito,Pac and Clottey. Clottey is about to fight Pac. Fights can be made and have been made during the time Mayweather has been a welterweight, it's up to him to make them happen. How come all those guys at one time or another fought the other, but Mayweather has excuses as to why he couldn't even fight one? Just one?!!? C'mon it's so transparent. If random blood tests aren't a part of this fight, then we all know Floyd was full of it and looking for a way out period.

Exactly! He couldn't have fought 1?! Not even 1?! How you can even try to defend that is beyond me. Just call it what it is. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then IT MUST BE A DUCK! No pun intended.