The overrated Bernard Hopkins

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Not really case closed, just need to look at measurements height, reach etc (i have no idea who is bigger)

boxing doesn't have height and reach divisions buddy. that's one of the first things people usually learn.

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Yeah sure he did what you mean in that 1 fight which was life and death with Vargas? cause all his other fights pre that (minor some tuneup stuff) was 147 or lower. Looked spectacular vs the number 2 middle? well that goes to show how **** the division really was.. Tito is 2-3 in MW fights. Besides lets not go and pretend like Joppy is some world beater, he is a decent champion that is all..

I don't understand why that's funny. Vargas was an undefeated champ who was ranked in the top ten pound for pound at the time. And was ruined. Trinidad picked up his first belt at 154 against David Reid who was well regarded but also never the same after the Tito fight. To be fair, he hadn't been as impressive in his fight before Tito but his title-winning effort was very impressive against a good champ in Bouduani. As for Joppy, he was a decent champ (like you said) who got obliterated by Tito in a way that neither Hopkins could do or even Jermain Taylor when he fought a washed up version. The win solidified Tito's hold at #1 pound for pound.

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so you only think hopkins dropped to 160 cause he lost his first fight? you don't think that had more to do with him having no experience or formal training? is clinton mitchell really that good.......... was he staying at middleweight his entire career just to avoid him? did he only come back to light heavy when clinton was retired? it all makes sense now.

not only do i think that hopkins dropped to 160 because he lost his first fight, his ensuing record makes it stick....all the backup i need

...and again, i can give a two s**ts about what his formal training was like before his first pro fight....i understand his fanboys have to have a good excuse for why he lost to someone you never heard about ever again...lol..he fought, he lost...no excuses....but then again, name a fight hopkins lost, and i can tell you about 3 or 4 lame excuses his fanboys try to make me believe...lol

[letsgobrady]

calzaghe already fought at light heavy as well. looks like we will have to use other evidence to decide who's bigger. oh look hopkins was a middleweight his entire career and calzaghe was a super middlweight his entire career. case closed.

my man bernard just had a fight at light heavy where as joe was comin off of a fight at 168.bernard was at midllewight because he didn't wanna fight bigger men calzaghe could of probably made middleweight too he probably just didn't want to come into his fights lookin like crackhead

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my man bernard just had a fight at light heavy where as joe was comin off of a fight at 168.bernard was at midllewight because he didn't wanna fight bigger men calzaghe could of probably made middleweight too he probably just didn't want to come into his fights lookin like crackhead

marquez just had a fight at welterweight so i guess that means he's a natural welterweight huh? just ignore the rest of his career right?

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not only do i think that hopkins dropped to 160 because he lost his first fight, his ensuing record makes it stick....all the backup i need

...and again, i can give a two s**ts about what his formal training was like before his first pro fight....i understand his fanboys have to have a good excuse for why he lost to someone you never heard about ever again...lol..he fought, he lost...no excuses....but then again, name a fight hopkins lost, and i can tell you about 3 or 4 lame excuses his fanboys try to make me believe...lol

so he couldn't beat clinton mitchell but he could be middleweight champ for ten years. yea it had nothing to do with training or learning how to box lmao. you think he started winning only cause he dropped weight. i think he started winning cause he actually learned how to box. facts would also support me since he moved back to light heavy and beat the best light heavy in the world after he became a great boxer.

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boxing doesn't have height and reach divisions buddy. that's one of the first things people usually learn.

So you don't find these things in the tale of the tape and stuff? no your right they don't have height or reach divisions. But a guy who is taller, broader etc is not a bigger man

[letsgobrady]

marquez just had a fight at welterweight so i guess that means he's a natural welterweight huh? just ignore the rest of his career right?

did marquez start and end his career at ww?
any way some of you seem to be gettin offended and to some i'm probably comin off lik a hater but i'm not i do believe bernard is a great fighter but some what overrated

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So you don't find these things in the tale of the tape and stuff? no your right they don't have height or reach divisions. But a guy who is taller, broader etc is not a bigger man

Yes but if they weigh the same then who cares? that is his point. Being taller and broader doesn't make you better. Those can be advantages just as some people utilize a lack of height as well.

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I don't understand why that's funny. Vargas was an undefeated champ who was ranked in the top ten pound for pound at the time. And was ruined. Trinidad picked up his first belt at 154 against David Reid who was well regarded but also never the same after the Tito fight. To be fair, he hadn't been as impressive in his fight before Tito but his title-winning effort was very impressive against a good champ in Bouduani. As for Joppy, he was a decent champ (like you said) who got obliterated by Tito in a way that neither Hopkins could do or even Jermain Taylor when he fought a washed up version. The win solidified Tito's hold at #1 pound for pound.

Vargas was a great fighter at that time, i just find it funny you can call him at his best at 154 when he only really fought 2 fighters of note there. Vargas was an all out war which Tito allmost lost and Mayago (was after Bhop) but was REALLY made for Tito, letting Tito have free flush shots at your head is not a good move