[MUST READ] New Interview:Chief Executive of USADA, Explains Roids and Testing

[Siggy]

They don't test for EPO.

again, nsac uses wada's list of prohibited substances. if wada tests for EPO, NSAC tests for EPO

[madsweeney]

So what's your take on the subject? Do you disagree with anything he said?

I think he's highly playing down the quality of NSAC's testing (the tests themselves not the procedures). I'm fine with the standards and procedures being bumped up, however, these agencies (USADA) seem slimy in their own reguards and don't seem as effective as they tout.

The effectiveness in testing is more about preventing people from doping rather than catching them. With that in mind there needs to be a balance of deterrance while allowing athletes to perform at their best. Also, there needs to be some time put into place for everyone to become accostumed to the changes otherwise we'll see alot of people complaining about being drained and/or many false positives.

[Siggy]

The fact is the current drug testing protocols in boxing are insufficient.

RANDOM drug testing needs to implemented with no advance notice to any athlete.

Make it fair. Keep it fair.

nsac does yr round random drug testing

[MindBat]

that is true, but the testing prior to 2003 was very inaccurate which lead to fasle positives and numerous lawsuits, which led to WADA searching for a better, more accurate method.

another good article explaining the flaws of the testing prior to 2003
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005...thletics.sport

So you're confirming that via trial and error better testing protocols can be implemented.

As has been confirmed, the NSAC's current testing protocols need much improvement or Keith Kizer of the NSAC would not have agreed to implementing a blood testing protocol in addition to their established urine testing protocols during the negotiations for Pac-May.

[MindBat]

nsac does yr round random drug testing

They don't also do random blood testing.

[Living Legend]

So is it safe to say Pacquaio started using Peformance enhancers after the first Morales fight...? That's some bullshZ*t, Pacqauio was the homie...Now I have to anxiously await seeing someone do him like Hatton and Cotto got done...

[Siggy]

They don't also do random blood testing.

and random blood testing is necessary because...??
of HGH? which has never been detected via blood or urine test...of which the future for testing for abuse is urine testing via nanotechnology?
epo? of which can only be detected via urine test?
steroid? urine test

only real argument you can make is analogous blood transfusion. foreign blood cells stay in the blood stream. there's no masking agents for that.

look, im not advocating for NO blood testing whatsoever. if random blood testing is absolutely necessary ( im unsure of that), rational cut off dates (backed by science) are acceptable.
the dude didnt say anything bad about the cut off date, just about the protocols prior to the cut off. manny accepted random blood testing prior to the cutoff.

i just think that what manny agreed to was thorough and adequate.

[IMDAZED]

I think he's highly playing down the quality of NSAC's testing (the tests themselves not the procedures). I'm fine with the standards and procedures being bumped up, however, these agencies (USADA) seem slimy in their own reguards and don't seem as effective as they tout.

The effectiveness in testing is more about preventing people from doping rather than catching them. With that in mind there needs to be a balance of deterrance while allowing athletes to perform at their best. Also, there needs to be some time put into place for everyone to become accostumed to the changes otherwise we'll see alot of people complaining about being drained and/or many false positives.

What do you think would be the most effective form of testing?

[IMDAZED]

again, nsac uses wada's list of prohibited substances. if wada tests for EPO, NSAC tests for EPO

NSAC does NOT test for EPO.

[MindBat]

and random blood testing is necessary because...??
of HGH? which has never been detected via blood or urine test...of which the future for testing for abuse is urine testing via nanotechnology?
epo? of which can only be detected via urine test?
steroid? urine test

only real argument you can make is analogous blood transfusion. foreign blood cells stay in the blood stream. there's no masking agents for that.

look, im not advocating for NO blood testing whatsoever. if random blood testing is absolutely necessary ( im unsure of that), rational cut off dates (backed by science) are acceptable.
the dude didnt say anything bad about the cut off date, just about the protocols prior to the cut off. manny accepted random blood testing prior to the cutoff.

i just think that what manny agreed to was thorough and adequate.

Right. It's not only HGH they would be looking for.

Based on prior reports on this issue, the USADA stated they would not conduct random tests 48hours before the fight to appease Manny, which could have been accepted by him. But he rejected the 14 day cut-off proposal, and had Arum set dates for the testing to take place.

That's the whole issue that raises su****ion about Manny among people familiar with this topic.