[MUST READ] New Interview:Chief Executive of USADA, Explains Roids and Testing

[IMDAZED]

Testing is obviously necessary but the timing in which Mayweather and Associates want to dictate this procedure is not reasonable to Pacquiao. You and I both know that 'Lil Floyd don't need a 14-day cutoff and by making it difficult for Pacquiao to agree to it sends every boxing fan the clear message that Pretty Boy is really afraid of Pacquiao and has successfully backed out of this fight. JAT

You didn't answer the question. I don't blame you.

[IMDAZED]

im just explaining why shane's abuse of EPO slipped through the cracks. it wasnt becuz the testing was completely inadequate. testing for EPO abuse was fairly new back then, but it isnt now.

They don't test for EPO.

[IMDAZED]

His mentioning to EPO is in relation to him saying that the state commissions don't test for it or designer steroids.

I only read the article to what Mosley admitted to but still, it's hearsay that he's taken it (even tho its very likely he did). With that said, WADA style testing for EPO has been in question for a while now, I've followed the Tour de France since the 80's and they discuss this issue alot more http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0626100921.htm

End of the day your taking the word of an ex-lawyer who sits on a board of directors' words as gospel. He, like any promoter, is pushing his services as the end all be all when even as good as WADA style testing is, its far from perfect.

Thanks. Nothing you said contradicted anything I said. In finality, what are you trying to say?

[Lady Fan]

You didn't answer the question. I don't blame you.

This should be self-explanatory. If you can't get it, then there is no help for you.

Q: If you blood test, is urine testing necessary at all?

A: "Yes, because there are certain things that you're not going to find in the blood, that you can only find in urine, like most forms of EPO, steroids, designer steroids, insulin. You have to have a combination of the two. Look, I'd love to have one strand of hair. From a cost and logistical standpoint, the simpler whatever we collect, the better. Not that collecting blood and urine are difficult, but you have to have the proper procedures in place, and account for the shipping, and the state that you need the samples, once collected, to remain in a preserved state where they can be accurately analyzed. You can build those programs. It doesn't take much. We obviously would prefer the simplest mechanism possible. But just pulling a strand of hair is not effective to protect a clean athlete's rights because there is so much that can't be detected in hair, or saliva, or other things."

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...current_d.html

This article is based on this (facts)
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...files/hgh.html

Quote:
USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:

A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.

There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

[madsweeney]

Thanks. Nothing you said contradicted anything I said. In finality, what are you trying to say?

I said it in my first post. That this guy is just another salesman pitching his product and everything in this interview should be taken with the same skepticism that any interview with DLH or Arum should.

[IMDAZED]

This should be self-explanatory. If you can't get it, then there is no help for you.

Q: If you blood test, is urine testing necessary at all?

A: "Yes, because there are certain things that you're not going to find in the blood, that you can only find in urine, like most forms of EPO, steroids, designer steroids, insulin. You have to have a combination of the two. Look, I'd love to have one strand of hair. From a cost and logistical standpoint, the simpler whatever we collect, the better. Not that collecting blood and urine are difficult, but you have to have the proper procedures in place, and account for the shipping, and the state that you need the samples, once collected, to remain in a preserved state where they can be accurately analyzed. You can build those programs. It doesn't take much. We obviously would prefer the simplest mechanism possible. But just pulling a strand of hair is not effective to protect a clean athlete's rights because there is so much that can't be detected in hair, or saliva, or other things."

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...current_d.html

This article is based on this (facts)
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...files/hgh.html

Quote:
USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:

A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.

There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

Excellent. So we agree that random blood and urine tests (with no cut-off thereby not making it random) are what should be the case?

[IMDAZED]

I said it in my first post. That this guy is just another salesman pitching his product and everything in this interview should be taken with the same skepticism that any interview with DLH or Arum should.

So what's your take on the subject? Do you disagree with anything he said?

[MindBat]

The fact is the current drug testing protocols in boxing are insufficient.

RANDOM drug testing needs to implemented with no advance notice to any athlete.

Make it fair. Keep it fair.

[Siggy]

Since 2002, EPO tests done by U.S. sports authorities have consisted of only a urine or “direct” test. From 2000–2006, EPO tests at the Olympics were conducted on both blood and urine.^[18][20][21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin

that is true, but the testing prior to 2003 was very inaccurate which lead to fasle positives and numerous lawsuits, which led to WADA searching for a better, more accurate method.

Although a test was introduced to detect recombinant EPO (erythropoietin) at the Sydney Olympic Games in 2000, a growing number of athletes were soon challenging the results in the courts.

Several, like US sprinter Marion Jones, had their first sample test positive but were cleared on the second or B test.


I would think that most of the medal winners and many in the finals of endurance events - there is a big risk for them having used EPO
Professor Bengt Saltin
In response, in 2004, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) tightened the criteria by which an EPO positive could be declared.

As a result, the number of legal challenges fell.

another good article explaining the flaws of the testing prior to 2003

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/sep/20/athletics.sport

[Siggy]

But their test is not done at random and they only take urine test.

nsac urine tests are random