A fighter can be world class with a losing record and no Ws over a top fighter.

[-Reflexes-]

See the career of Fritzie Zivic who's record was 157-65-9 and had wins over Burley, Armstrong, Al Davis, Lou Jenkins, Jannazzo, Basora and Angott, and losses to Ambers, Robinson, Conn, Burley, Armstrong, Cochrane, LaMotta, Zannelli. Bob Montgomery and Beau Jack. The guy fought a multitude of great fighters yet his record is scattered with losses throughout. In other words.....losses mean **** when they come against other great fighters.

He had great wins though. The TS said a guy with NO great wins.

[ThePunchingBag]

world-class (wûrldkls)
adj.
1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order: a world-class figure skater.
2. Great, as in importance, concern, or notoriety.

Main Entry: 1fore·most
Pronunciation: \-ˌmōst\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English formest, from Old English, superl. of forma first; akin to Old High German fruma advantage, Old English fore fore
Date: before 12th century

1 : first in a series or progression
2 :of first rank or position : preeminent

world-class
  /ˈwɜrldˈklæs, -ˈklɑs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wurld-klas, -klahs] Show IPA
–adjective
1. ranking among the world's best; outstanding: a world-class orchestra.
2. attracting or comprising world-class players, performers, etc.: a world-class tennis tournament.
3. Informal. being a notorious example of its kind: a world-class slob.

best
  /bɛst/
–adjective, superl. of good with better as compar.
1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing: the best work; the best students.
2. most advantageous, suitable, or desirable: the best way.
3. largest; most: the best part of a day.






Dictionaries are weird....

[JAB5239]

He had great wins though. The TS said a guy with NO great wins.

You're right, my mistake.

[TBear]

An old trainer(?) once said,
"show me an undefeated prospect and I'll show you a .500 fighter that can beat him!"

[ThePunchingBag]

You're right, my mistake.

TS meant that a guy who fought Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao and lost to all of them in very close fights that could've gone either way can still be considered world class.

I agree.

[-Reflexes-]

TS meant that a guy who fought Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao and lost to all of them in very close fights that could've gone either way can still be considered world class.

I agree.

There are no moral victories in boxing. Who cares you made it close. Your ass still went home with a LOSS.

Im not big on praising losers.

[ThePunchingBag]

There are no moral victories in boxing. Who cares you made it close. Your ass still went home with a LOSS.

Im not big on praising losers.

So you're saying 3 judges decide who's world class and who's not in a close fight?.....

You must be big on praising undefeated fighters then huh.

Why don't you have JCC Jr. avatar then?

That guy is definitely world class...

JMM? That guy is a loser! Who cares that he gaves Pacquiao his toughest fights.

He still lost! He's not world-class!

[Suckmedry]

This whole thread is just a big attack on Floyd

But yeah, fighting quality fighters is more important than being undefeated. But when you do both, like Floyd has done, it shows you are a truly special fighter.

[Spray_resistant]

This whole thread is just a big attack on Floyd

But yeah, fighting quality fighters is more important than being undefeated. But when you do both, like Floyd has done, it shows you are a truly special fighter.

I never attack specific boxers, most of my threads are theoretical in nature....forget about Floyd he is not boxing and I really don't want to talk about him.

I want to talk about the concept of "world class" here, and if anything I am attacking the praising of worthless unbeaten records.

[djsygo]

world class and great are 2 different things...some of you guys are arguing over 2 different things as they were the same thing