A fighter can be world class with a losing record and no Ws over a top fighter.

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  • Spray_resistant
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    A fighter can be world class with a losing record and no Ws over a top fighter.

    Lets say hypothetically speaking that a ww fighter has his pro debut against a hot prospect and shockingly wins by ko. Then in this fighters 2nd and 3rd fights he beats 2 old vets.

    By is 4th fight he is able to land a fight with Quintana who is looking for a W against this kid whom is the cause of some buzz. In the fight he stops Carlos in 5.

    then he fights Clottey gets a draw and after that fight he has fights with Pac, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, and Floyd losing all of them.

    Two of the losses against these 5 were close debatable SDs, two he was UDd in close fights, and in one he was stopped late while being up on the cards.....it doesn't really matter by who in which of the 5 fights and the manner in which he lost to whoever.

    After all of this, the hypothetical fighter would have a record of 4-5-1 but is world class because of how he did against who he fought.

    When I thought of this earlier, it made me realize even more how worthless an unbeaten record really is. Its all about the opposition you face and how you do against those opponents win or lose.....do you have any idea how good a fighter would have to be to get to the 12th round with Cotto or SSM? Or how good someone has to be to win a round against Floyd?
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    #2
    You have to be better than the lineal Jr. WW to last 2 rounds with Pacquiao.



    Good post.

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    • Spray_resistant
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      #3
      Originally posted by ThePunchingBag
      You have to be better than the lineal Jr. WW to last 2 rounds with Pacquiao.



      Good post.
      A valid add to this one

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      • Silencers
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        #4
        It's a common misconception among boxing fans that an undefeated record means a fighter is better than a fighter with losses on his record, it's not always the case. The first fighter that came to mind for me is Freddie Pendleton.

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        • -The Glove-
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          #5
          JCC Jr is the first one that comes to mind.

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          • -Reflexes-
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            #6
            You can have losses and be world class.

            But I dont agree with the having NO wins over top fighters.

            No way.

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              #7
              Originally posted by -Reflexes-
              You can have losses and be world class.

              But I dont agree with the having NO wins over top fighters.

              No way.
              Close debatable losses over any 2 of the fighters I mentioned makes you world class in my book.

              Look at AA also when has he beaten a prime world class fighter ever? Yet he is world class and viewed as such.

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              • shadeyfizzle
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                #8
                Originally posted by -Reflexes-
                You can have losses and be world class.

                But I dont agree with the having NO wins over top fighters.

                No way.
                Ike Quartey??? Zab Judah??? Rocky Juarez???

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                • -Reflexes-
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Spray_resistant
                  Close debatable losses over any 2 of the fighters I mentioned makes you world class in my book.

                  Look at AA also when has he beaten a prime world class fighter ever? Yet he is world class and viewed as such.
                  Define world class for me. Thats a broad statement.

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                  • -Reflexes-
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
                    Ike Quartey??? Zab Judah??? Rocky Juarez???
                    Define world class please. That sure as hell cant mean great. Great fighters win CLOSE fights.

                    Ike, judah and jurez are not GREAT,

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