If Floyd Followed Pacquiao's Route To Greatness...

[jrosales13]

not true whatsoever..I guarantee you right now I can give you a name of a fighter who has fought on ESPN2 and you wouldnt know him w/out having to look him up on boxrec..and if that (as you say)is a true boxing fan..again 98%of the Pac stans are not true boxing fans then..with that logic!
I have watched first hand fighter groomed as amateurs..i have watched them start at Casinos..then to ESPN..then to Shobox..and now considered for the S6..and Ive watched them lose on ESPN only to revert back to their day job!
..I can name names you wont know..that doesnt mean you arent a true boxing fan...because I personally think you are..but you buddies would get exposed in a second.

I can expose your buddies as well I have a before...

[American Dream]

Go ahead and find me a post and I can find you posts where Mr President says Floyd is greater than Ali and Robinson... I can also find you posts from Icheezy says the same thing. I can find you posts from posters who agree with them..GOAT has a thread where he rank Floyd #7 all time and Tyson #10 all time. Floyd fans are not better. There are some Floyd fans who knows there **** just like there Pac fans who know there ****... But, 90% of Floyd fans don't know more... And, right now if you look at the main page you can find 5 Floyd fans posters who created a thread about Floyd or hating on Pac. Everything else right now is about different boxing related topics...

thats to be debated by some..because style wise, not resume..resume ALi/Robinson crushes Floyd..w/out a doubt..but again where are they saying GOAT..to me Frazier is one of the best..but hes not considered better than Ali by most..???...and its funny you say that Floyd fans put him over Ali/Robinson when your siggy reads quote.."Ill take Zab Judah over Robinson anyday"

[American Dream]

I can expose your buddies as well I have a before...

I have exposed the Mannypac "Mafia" many times..and I dont have any "buddies"..I dont have a Mayweather Mafia as my avatar..you have one for Pac..I have a boxing Ring..I stand for boxing..my favorite fighter of my generation is not Floyd..to me he is one of the best of his time..but he isnt my favorite..can Stans say the same for Pac..I think not!

[jrosales13]

I have exposed the Mannypac "Mafia" many times..and I dont have any "buddies"..I dont have a Mayweather Mafia as my avatar..you have one for Pac..I have a boxing Ring..I stand for boxing..my favorite fighter of my generation is not Floyd..to me he is one of the best of his time..but he isnt my favorite..can Stans say the same for Pac..I think not!

There is nobody that i know of who has a MannyPac mafia Avi but me... I am the only one who reps it...

[American Dream]

There is nobody that i know of who has a MannyPac mafia Avi but me... I am the only one who reps it...

yes..and I rep a boxing ring..go figure...

[horge]

If Floyd's current resume is not good enough for his critics, imagine if he had Pacquiao's resume, he'd be crucified.

The difference is Pac isn't proclaiming himself the GOAT.
Floyd has been shouting it out to all who might hear,

[M.I.C.]

The difference is Pac isn't proclaiming himself the GOAT.
Floyd has been shouting it out to all who might hear,

You *******s may as well proclaim him the GOAT, you already calling an ATG as if his resume is the greatest thing you ever seen. Truth is, his resume is average, its just that nobody was expecting to be any good post Marquez.

[gqjohnb]

You *******s may as well proclaim him the GOAT, you already calling an ATG as if his resume is the greatest thing you ever seen. Truth is, his resume is average, its just that nobody was expecting to be any good post Marquez.

I wouldn't say its average but the 2nd and 3rd victories against MAB and the win against morales are both more accredited than they deserve to be...

[TheAuthority]

I think the problem is we have much higher expectations of Floyd. He was groomed to be a champion and showed mad skills from the get-go. Therefore we yawn if he doesn't do amazing things and get mad if he doesn't take the toughest fights. He hasn't been taking the toughest fights and we have the right to be mad at him - I say this as a mostly former fan of Floyd (a little fandom remains but he's pretty hard to defend).

In a sense I can't argue with the TS. Because of our expectations on Floyd we would have been screaming bloody murder if he had taken the same path for his past FEW fights. But I think most of us don't mind the path he took from 135 to 147 - Corley, Bruseles, Gatti and Mitchell. That's not exactly murderer's row but we understand that he needed to work his way up to what is now his normal weight. He was such a beast at 130 and 135 that it was okay for him to take the easier path for a while. But by now we are quite fair to expect more of him, he's been at WW for a long time and it seems to suit his frame.

Manny on the other hand wasn't a big name just a few years ago. We didn't expect that much of him so his path to greatness makes us go "WOW!" While we could pick apart his opposition, it's a whole lot more impressive than if he'd just have stayed at 130.

And now that he's at WW he's taking on tough names. We can't argue with that.

However I'm still mad that they aren't fighting each other. I'm bothered by Pac's refusal to take random blood tests. But I won't discredit his opposition on his way to WW.

Very good post. I completely agree.

[koboy]

If Floyd moved up to 135 and fought David Diaz but avoided Campbell, Guzman, etc... he'd be called a ***** and a ducker.

If Floyd moved up in weight and fought a dehydrated, weight drained and never won a big fight De La Hoya, he would be criticized for handpicking a faded opponent.

If Floyd went to 140 and fought IBO Champion Ricky Hatton who had been previously knocked silly into a turnbuckle he'd be criticized as picking the weakest challenge at the weight. Avoiding Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander would not be taken to kindly by the masses.

If Floyd went to welterweight and forced a Post Margarito and post Clottey Miguel Cotto to drain to a 145 Catchweight he would be considered a Fraud and a fake welterweight champion.

If Floyd had 2 close fights with a Mexican warrior like Marquez he would not be let off the hook till he fought him a 3rd time and won clearly. Some would even say he's not undefeated cause he got a gift decision against a Mexican Warrior. like a Castillo perhaps


So simply put, if Floyd followed Pacquaio's route to greatness, he would be considered the biggest Fraud in Boxing. His haters would even come up with names for him like Fraud Gayweather or *****..

This is a case of the Underachiever (Mayweather) vs the Overachiever (Pacquiao).

Mayweather has always proclaimed to be the best and actually had a great first half in his career, but underachieved in the latter part, beating fighters he was supposed to beat in the first place. The fact that he hasn't faced any real welterweight in a division that he has been campaigning in for a little less than half a decade also adds to questions about his boxing legacy.

Manny, on the other hand, has never uttered any reference to being the best fighter in the world and was never touted to be the next Sugar Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali. But after an unimpressive start in his career including two losses by KO, is finishing his run with incredible wins over opponents whom he was never meant to beat. Pacquiao is now being considered by some boxing analysts, writers and historians as one of the best to ever laced them up.

The difference between PBF and Manny was that Pacquiao was never meant to have a "route to greatness", but drove on it anyway and is now hightailing his way to the boulevard of All Time Greats. PBF, meanwhile, has taken so many detours on his way to greatness, even a satnav (gps) will have a hard time pointing him in the right direction.