Comments Thread For: The Top 25 Middleweights of All-Time – The Top Ten

[crold1]

Continuing on...

This list is kinda like saying Babe Ruth was a better hitter than Barry Bonds. It's obvious that Bonds has a better record than Ruth but Ruth is much more of a purists choice. No steroid accusations, in the heyday of the sport, etc.

Not saying that I disagree with this list, but I also can't really agree with it as I have no idea the level of opposition most of these old school fighters fought.

Better record of what? Obvious to who? Bonds hit more dongs, in a longer and PED extended career, but his average was WAY lower lifetime and he was never on e of the best pitchers in the game. Ruth played in a segregated league which I think is fair to count against him, but he'd be as good as Pujols if he were alive right now. So would Josh Gibson.

Fair list. Good to see Freddie Steele rated highly although I wouldn't have him in the top 5 myself. Underrated fighter.

He was a prodigy and long overdue for recognition. His win/loss record against the best fighters of his day is wicked and he could literally do it all.

I'd have had Laszlo Papp in tnere somewhere.
I think I've asked you about boxing contacts in Panama, I'm moving there at the end of this month. You didn't reply.

Didn't see that and simply don't have a contact for that. My apologies. As to Papp, he's a great what if but not as much a was IMO.

I really think it's a shame that the more recent fighters are victims of being less revered than older fighters.

God forbid anyone say Hopkins had a better Middleweight career than Ray Robinson because that's Ray Robinson, it's like blasphemy to say that.

I think the top 3 are unquestionably Hopkins, Monzon, and Hagler. That's not me just being ignorant to Greb and Robinson, I'm well aware of what they have done. I just think the other 3 suffer from being more modern.

I very much respect the effort done on these lists though. Whether I agree with them or not, a lot of time and work were put into them which I appreciate.

Robinson DID have a better Middleweight career against FAR superior fighters. Sorry. There's a better argument for moving Hopkins lower than higher in this group. I respect his numbers, and think he's well in the fight with anyone ahead of him, but they won more against more fighters who mattered.

lol this guy is so full of ****, how many harry greb fights have you seen.......he only has harry greb #1 only to sound like some elitist ****sucker.......this is the same guy who wrote some long ass article questioning roy jones (no problem with that) then writes some short article calling calzaghe an alltime great.....

Jesus, if you're gonna' steal Daggum's thunder get it right. I questioned Oscar De La Hoya as an ATG. Roy WAS an ATG, I rated him as such, and questioned whether he could have been greater. And all of those pieces are over 3K words...short? If you're gonna' call me a ****sucker, at least have your facts straight.

And what is this nonsense about 'how many Greb fights.' Hey, there aren't any. There's plenty of a lot of the bad ass opponents he beat, there's a ton of accounts that describe a beast, and there are numbers to bear it out. He's got the best resume of wins in the history of the sport and he was a natural to Middleweight.

[jrosales13]

Not at all. He could easily be there. A lot of guys from 24 forward could be (Williams, Fullmer, Zale, Cerdan, Burley). It's a GLUT of talent and I see the difference between 15 and 5 as eyelashes apart. It could all be tied but then they might as well just be alphabetical and where's the fun in that.

I made a top 10 greatest MW of all time on here. And, I put Lamotta as high as 6 or 7. And, people here was telling me that I was overrating and I was going back and forth with them. And, then when I saw that you did not have him in the top 10. I started questioning myself since I know you do your homework. But, then ThegreatA said he has him in the top 10 as well. And, from what you are telling me now makes me feel better now lol...

[crold1]

I made a top 10 greatest MW of all time on here. And, I put Lamotta as high as 6 or 7. And, people here was telling me that I was overrating and I was going back and forth with them. And, then when I saw that you did not have him in the top 10. I started questioning myself since I know you do your homework. But, then ThegreatA said he has him in the top 10 as well. And, from what you are telling me now makes me feel better now lol...

He was a great fighter. Had there been a 168 lb. class in the 40s, he would have been natural to it. Thing about a top ten is that only ten guys can fit. There's a reason everyone on the list is, or will be, an EASY HOFer.

[jrosales13]

He was a great fighter. Had there been a 168 lb. class in the 40s, he would have been natural to it. Thing about a top ten is that only ten guys can fit. There's a reason everyone on the list is, or will be, an EASY HOFer.

Why do you think people rank Charles Burley higher now than they did say like 20years ago?

I think the same thing is happening with Benny Leonard. I remember that there was a time when people felt that Pep was by far the greater fighter all time. But, now people argue that Leonard could be place ahead of Pep.

Did somehow over the years new information was brought to light that people didn't know about. And, that is why the get ranked higher now?

[Go Blue]

Hopkins better be Top 5.

[crold1]

Why do you think people rank Charles Burley higher now than they did say like 20years ago?

I think the same thing is happening with Benny Leonard. I remember that there was a time when people felt that Pep was by far the greater fighter all time. But, now people argue that Leonard could be place ahead of Pep.

Did somehow over the years new information was brought to light that people didn't know about. And, that is why the get ranked higher now?

I think that Leonard was rated higher by those close rot his time, Pep the same, and newer generations re-see fighters. They were both THAT good. It's a worthy debate. Burley rates higher in part because guys like Herb Goldman and Eddie Futch cast a light on a forgotten talent. I think he's SLIGHTLY been overrated recently but he was an ATG either way.

Hopkins better be Top 5.

On numbers alone he could be.

[jrosales13]

Hopkins better be Top 5.

I don't have B-hop in my top 5 either though....

[jrosales13]

I think that Leonard was rated higher by those close rot his time, Pep the same, and newer generations re-see fighters. They were both THAT good. It's a worthy debate. Burley rates higher in part because guys like Herb Goldman and Eddie Futch cast a light on a forgotten talent. I think he's SLIGHTLY been overrated recently but he was an ATG either way.



On numbers alone he could be.

Fair enough... when are you going to start working on the HW division?

[crold1]

Fair enough... when are you going to start working on the HW division?

Already have on the research. Patience...

[Go Blue]

I don't have B-hop in my top 5 either though....

He is so under appreciated...One of the most skilled fighters Ive ever seen.

Most of his losses came PAST his prime........and he beat and fought everybody........

Johnson
Tarver
Trinidad
Winky
Eastman
Joppy
Echols
Allen
Oscar
Taylor (Close loss)
Taylor 2 (Close loss)
Calzaghe (Close loss)