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  • McGoorty
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    #91
    Originally posted by Ray Corso
    Hopkins, Calzhage, Jones (minimal time at 160) Pavlik don't make my list!

    Sugar Ray is thre best welter & middle of all time.

    I do think Cerdan isn't appreciated because of his death not allowing him to flurish world wide but he was tremendous fighter at welter & middle.

    I think Burley and Ketchel aren't realized as extremely difficult men to defeat.
    These were men who where pro fighters 100% of the time. Their exsistance revolved around fighting and they never took time off. That type of experience is the most valid plus they would hold over current day fighters.
    Current fellows like Hopkins & Calzhage rely on boxing techniques alone the men from the modern era rely on boxing moves to set up their brutal fighting modes. Their body to head attacks aren't incorpertated much these days.
    Fighters like Chocolitio have the boxer set up puncher style that is rarely seen anymore. Duran offered that style and was extremely effective in his prime years.

    Langford is another man that no one would care to face other than the top tier men at that weight.

    Ray.
    Darcy not worth a mention Ray ? is he so underrated ???? it's pathetic, he was as good as anybody yet because he ain't American or aMexican or at the least English he ain't worth remembering ?.. the list is irrelevant cos he ain't there.

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    • Ray Corso
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      #92
      Darcy's career and life were so short lived it's hard to move him ahead of men with 100 to 200 fights who fought the best in 2 generations. It's not fare to penalize a man who passed away so young but thats the main reason he isn't mentioned high on the lidsts. It's not because of lack of talent.
      Simular to Salvador Sanchez except we have alot more documentation on Sanchez.
      I don't think anyones hating on Darcy I think its mostly unawareness.

      Ray.

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      • McGoorty
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        #93
        Originally posted by Ray Corso
        Darcy's career and life were so short lived it's hard to move him ahead of men with 100 to 200 fights who fought the best in 2 generations. It's not fare to penalize a man who passed away so young but thats the main reason he isn't mentioned high on the lidsts. It's not because of lack of talent.
        Simular to Salvador Sanchez except we have alot more documentation on Sanchez.
        I don't think anyones hating on Darcy I think its mostly unawareness.

        Ray.
        50 fights before age 21 ???? that is more than that fake Mayweather has had in his entire life mate so why rate Mayweather ??? BTW... I do have plenty of respect for you but the fact that Darcy is simply forgotten grates at me, far lesser fighters get so much more press. Darcy simply has a better record than many who have had twice as many fights, if he didn't get blood poisoning it is highly likely he would have had 250 fights or more and sure he would have had a period where he fought on too long and lost to lesser men in the early 30's but he is rather unique in the annals of boxing history, he died too young like Salvadore Sanchez and Pancho Villa but he did also rise to heights those two great talents had yet to achieve, hell I think Villa was awesome and would have become a much greater fighter too. What gets me is that his contemporaries had him as virtually unbeatable and the best fighter on the planet when he arrived in New York yet so many of today's experts just ignore the opinions of those who were in a position to actually know him and especially those who were his victims, all of them said his strength was almost superhuman and his videos do show that awesome strength, lifting guys off their feet with body shots. Perhaps I overreacted to that list , after all it was just the opinion of a single guy, but at least he did write well, loved his write up of Jimmy McLarnin for instance. Despite any lists of MW's Darcy would surely have beaten most of them............................ Thanks for the reply mate, appreciate it very much.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Ray Corso
          Darcy's career and life were so short lived it's hard to move him ahead of men with 100 to 200 fights who fought the best in 2 generations. It's not fare to penalize a man who passed away so young but thats the main reason he isn't mentioned high on the lidsts. It's not because of lack of talent.
          Simular to Salvador Sanchez except we have alot more documentation on Sanchez.
          I don't think anyones hating on Darcy I think its mostly unawareness.

          Ray.
          as for awareness of guys like him, I hope I can do something to rectify that, one things for sure he doesn't need too much promoting in Australia, here he is spoken of in total awe, our old timers saw a hell of a lot of Darcy in the ring, when I was young I actually met and chatted with old men who saw Darcy fight often and it's their opinions I regard the highest and it isn't jingoism or blokes just talking their guy up as some Americans have suggested to me which on the outside could seem fair enough a comment to make, until you understand how those old generation Aussies were really like, they simply were not like that, true salt of the earth types who would rather tear down a big wig sportsman than to treat them like they were special, it is called the Tall Poppy Syndrome which is VERY Australian, once you know this you know there is no crap coming from their mouths. It's kind of the total opposite to say the average Indian who treat crickets stars like gods, in fact no nation adores any sportsmen like Indians do to cricket stars, even great Aussie cricketers are worshiped, back here in Australia though only the very greatest supreme sportsmen are forever remembered, Darcy really was to Australians, the Bradman of Boxing (look that term up and the guy if you are confused, basically Bradman is the highest accolade for invincibility, ask any pom who he is they will tell you)

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            #95
            People overrate the 1950's and earlier SO badly.

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              #96
              Where is Laszlo Papp? List is a joke

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                #97
                Completely Bull**** . These old timers are laughable, modern fighters have better condition& Nutrition、including peds. More knowledge based on former greats、more weapons in their arsenal.earlier the era more crude and stiff its fighters were. Fighters pre 30s hadn’t developed correct stance yet all up right and flat footed. From 30s to 60s fighters were gradually getting better but still some unadvanced fundamentals Like completely upright and completely flat footed don’t know how to steps off the line or move laterally at all、hands down、large steps with hands down、threw lots of arm-bending slaps not extended straight punches and wild-swinging caveman like wide punches you barely sees those issues today. sugar ray Robinson was the one of the few fighters pre 60s that was technically advanced yet he still threw lots of wide punches. their athleticism mainly fluidity agility and their coordination their techniques are not nearly as polished as modern fighters post 60s.
                Also boxing was amero domestic back then , gradually getting more global,today it has become a global sport.
                Last edited by jabbbbb; 11-17-2020, 07:31 PM.

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